On 01 Sep 2014, at 18:58, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Pierz <[email protected]> wrote:
> What is bizarre about John's objections is that it, if he really
can't accept FPI,[...]
Despite what Bruno says I would maintain there is not one single
person on planet Earth that is confused by the difference between
the first person and the third person; and I don't think that
Bruno's claims to have found such a difference constitutes a major
scientific discovery.
Sure, I use the traditional meaning, made precise in the context of
self-duplication. But if you don't confuse them, why do you keep
saying "W & M", given that we have made precise "W" and "M" designates
the first person experiences, as described in the personal diary.
> is John seriously going to contend that MWI is nonsensical
scientific "baby talk"?
No, but John is going to contend that "comp" is scientific baby talk.
You mean computationalism, I guess.
You really should get out of the habit of using it because if you
say it anywhere else except this list, like at a scientific
conference, people are going to look at you like you're an imbecile.
Of course, you will say "computationnalism implies non-
physicalism" (for example), but on a slide you might write something
like comp, or even C-> ~P. It is an abbreviation. What we abbreviate
sometimes by "comp", or CTM, or digital mechanism, is made precise in
papers, posts, reference, etc. Then we do a reasoning. You stop at
step 3, without giving any understandable clue we might understand.
BTW, MGA stands for "Movie Graph Argument", which is step 8, but can
be read independently. It is the older step 1, actually. Someone sent
a copy recently on the list, and Russell just finished a paper on that
subject, that he submitted to the list, for comment, and that I will
comment later. Maudlin made a similar argument (they are not entirely
equivalent, or perhaps they are).
The UDA 1-7 steps are more easy than MGA, (step 8) which is more
involved in intensional notions, like counterfactuals. Its importance
can also be doubted, especially if the math confirms the machine
physics resemblance with our empiric physics.
Bruno
John K Clark
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