On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Who cares, I don't give a hoot in hell about "comp". >> > > > By definition you believe in comp, > If you say so, I guess you should know as you invented the word, so I guess the definition of "comp" is "the stuff that John Clark believes". > > but neither evoloution, nor anything 3p can prove that comp is correct, > Fine, so "comp" isn't correct, and since "comp" isn't correct can we please stop talking about the stupid thing? > so that philosophical zombies are logically conceivable. > Although I think its rather unlikely it is logically conceivable that I am the only conscious being in the universe; however it is not logically conceivable that intelligence and consciousness are unrelated and Evolution still managed to produce one conscious being, and yet I know for a fact that it did. Therefore philosophical zombies are logically inconceivable. > What you mean is that you believe that there is a flaw in UDA, > That is not my area of expertise so I'm not competent to judge if the Universal Dance Association is good at teaching ballet or not. > We know also, as we assume comp [...] > I don't assume your baby talk jargon or your silly homemade acronyms. >> before I can give you that precise answer I need to know what you mean >> by "the H-guy". Does it mean: >> 1) John Clark? >> 2) The fellow currently experiencing Helsinki? >> > > > Now you regress again, and we will cycle. Just consult sane04, the step > 3 protocol is clear and has never change since the beginning. > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/publications/SANE2004MARCHALAbstract.html > So rather than simply answering my question with #1 or #2 you just say the answer, whatever the hell it is, has always been the same and then give a link to the same long paper that is full of imprecise vague pronouns. So I ask again, does "the H guy" refer to #1 "John Clark", or does it refer to #2 "the fellow currently experiencing Helsinki"? > And yes, we know that you John Clark, will be in both city, after the > experience is completed. But this does not answer the question, which is > about what you expect your life will turn in. > Explain who Mr. You is and John Clark will answer that question. > it will not turn into "I have the superposed experience of being in the > two city at once". > Maybe, maybe not, it depends on who Mr. I is. > You are on Earth, and you need, for some reason, to go urgently on Mars. > Bad luck, you can't really afford the 100% secure quantum classical > teleportation channel Earth-Mars, but you have enough money to take a > channel where it is known that the probability of eavesdropping is 1/4. > Now there will be two questions, according to the fact that > the eavesdropping is destructive, or not. > > The eavesdropping is destructive when Eve, the "pirate", intercepts the > message, and prevents it to attain Mars. > The eavesdropping is non-destructive when Eve intercepts the message, > copies it, and let it attain Mars. > > In both question the probability of eavesdropping is 1/4, and it is > supposed that Eve reconstitutes you in Hell, or some bad place. > You are on Earth, just before pushing the button. How do you evaluate your > chance to find yourself in hell? > > a) with a destructive eavesdropping? > Don't know about Mr. You, we've never been introduced, but there is a 75% chance John Clark will go to Mars and a 25% chance John Clark will go to hell; John Clark would be very reluctant to push that button even if the odds were 100% Mars and 25% hell because hell doesn't sound like much fun. But that's just John Clark, Bruno Marchal may feel differently and there is no disputing matters of taste. > b) with a non-destructive eavesdropping? > Then it doesn't matter if Eve intercept things or not because she doesn't interfere and lets things proceed as originally planned, so there is a 100% chance that John Clark will remain on Earth and a 100% chance John Clark will go to Mars; provided that Mars is a nice place John Clark would not hesitate in pushing that button. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
