On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>> Who cares, I don't give a hoot in hell about "comp". >> > > > By definition you believe in comp, > If you say so, I guess you should know as you invented the word, so I guess the definition of "comp" is "the stuff that John Clark believes". > > but neither evoloution, nor anything 3p can prove that comp is correct, > Fine, so "comp" isn't correct, and since "comp" isn't correct can we please stop talking about the stupid thing? > so that philosophical zombies are logically conceivable. > Although I think its rather unlikely it is logically conceivable that I am the only conscious being in the universe; however it is not logically conceivable that intelligence and consciousness are unrelated and Evolution still managed to produce one conscious being, and yet I know for a fact that it did. Therefore philosophical zombies are logically inconceivable. > What you mean is that you believe that there is a flaw in UDA, > That is not my area of expertise so I'm not competent to judge if the Universal Dance Association is good at teaching ballet or not. > We know also, as we assume comp [...] > I don't assume your baby talk jargon or your silly homemade acronyms. >> before I can give you that precise answer I need to know what you mean >> by "the H-guy". Does it mean: >> 1) John Clark? >> 2) The fellow currently experiencing Helsinki? >> > > > Now you regress again, and we will cycle. Just consult sane04, the step > 3 protocol is clear and has never change since the beginning. > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/publications/SANE2004MARCHALAbstract.html > So rather than simply answering my question with #1 or #2 you just say the answer, whatever the hell it is, has always been the same and then give a link to the same long paper that is full of imprecise vague pronouns. So I ask again, does "the H guy" refer to #1 "John Clark", or does it refer to #2 "the fellow currently experiencing Helsinki"? > And yes, we know that you John Clark, will be in both city, after the > experience is completed. But this does not answer the question, which is > about what you expect your life will turn in. > Explain who Mr. You is and John Clark will answer that question. > it will not turn into "I have the superposed experience of being in the > two city at once". > Maybe, maybe not, it depends on who Mr. I is. > You are on Earth, and you need, for some reason, to go urgently on Mars. > Bad luck, you can't really afford the 100% secure quantum classical > teleportation channel Earth-Mars, but you have enough money to take a > channel where it is known that the probability of eavesdropping is 1/4. > Now there will be two questions, according to the fact that > the eavesdropping is destructive, or not. > > The eavesdropping is destructive when Eve, the "pirate", intercepts the > message, and prevents it to attain Mars. > The eavesdropping is non-destructive when Eve intercepts the message, > copies it, and let it attain Mars. > > In both question the probability of eavesdropping is 1/4, and it is > supposed that Eve reconstitutes you in Hell, or some bad place. > You are on Earth, just before pushing the button. How do you evaluate your > chance to find yourself in hell? > > a) with a destructive eavesdropping? > Don't know about Mr. You, we've never been introduced, but there is a 75% chance John Clark will go to Mars and a 25% chance John Clark will go to hell; John Clark would be very reluctant to push that button even if the odds were 100% Mars and 25% hell because hell doesn't sound like much fun. But that's just John Clark, Bruno Marchal may feel differently and there is no disputing matters of taste. > b) with a non-destructive eavesdropping? > Then it doesn't matter if Eve intercept things or not because she doesn't interfere and lets things proceed as originally planned, so there is a 100% chance that John Clark will remain on Earth and a 100% chance John Clark will go to Mars; provided that Mars is a nice place John Clark would not hesitate in pushing that button. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
