Hi Richard,
> In my papers I have conjectured that consciousness is a BEC effect because > apparently in a BEC of particles, for all these particles to act as one, > each particle must be aware of all others or at least its nearest > neighbors. If so, for consciousness to also be a computation, then BECs > must be computable, and I wonder if that is true. But again, if so, then > BEC computation selects the types of computations necessary for > consciousness. > I'm afraid I am too physically illiterate here, but could you elaborate on how the particles act as one? Am I correct in assuming that they have certain degrees of freedom, but all behave the same without any further causality? > But I must admit I have been too lazy to pursue this possibility in > earnest. Rather nowadays I spend most of the day following free-range baby > chicks around. I find it interesting that I can watch them closely but > cannot touch them, just like in the human species. > Chicks are tricky, no matter the species :) Telmo. > Richard > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:42 AM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:03 AM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 9/18/2014 4:20 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>> > We have no way to measure or detect consciousness, >>>>> >>>> >>>> That certainly isn't true in my case, there is one particular >>>> consciousness that I'm very very good at detecting, and although I can't >>>> prove it I have a hunch there is one consciousness you can detect too. >>>> >>> >>> Right, but you can't propose an experiment that tests the claim that >>> you are conscious or that I am conscious to a third party. >>> >>> >>> I don't know what you do for a living, Telmo, but I sure hope you're not >>> an anesthesiologist. >>> >> >> I'm not, but I'm glad they exist. >> >> Anaesthesia seems to shut down the brain's ability to perceive the >> environment and to form memories. I have no contention with that. I also >> have no contention with most of modern science, including (the still very >> crude) field of neuroscience. I am sure the brain is an asynchronous >> computer, that intelligence is a property of this computer and so on. >> >> The trouble is that none of this seems to explain how consciousness >> originates. Maybe it's a still unknown property of matter. Maybe matter >> itself is a dream of computations, like Bruno suggests. The point is, we >> have no reason to prefer one explanation over the other, they both fit the >> facts. >> >> What disturbs me the most is our growing inability to say "I don't know". >> I think I know where this comes from. Science has been under attack by >> several brands of dark ages fundamentalism, so scientists react by becoming >> more militant. This is a mistake. "Beware that, when fighting monsters..." >> >> Telmo. >> >> >>> >>> >>> Brent >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
