On 10/8/2014 5:07 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 2:50 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net
<mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:
On 10/8/2014 10:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 Oct 2014, at 20:17, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/7/2014 1:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Oct 2014, at 20:15, meekerdb wrote:
Here's an interesting interview of a philosopher who is interested in the
question of whether God exists. The interesting thing about it, for this
list,
is that "God" is implicitly the god of theism, and is not "one's reason for
existence" or "the unprovable truths of arithmetic".
How do you know that? How could you know that.
I read the interview. For example
/D.G.: I’m not a believer, so I’m not in a position to say. First of all,
it’s
worth noting that some of the biggest empirical challenges don’t come from
science
but from common features of life. Perhaps the hardest case for believers is
the
Problem of Evil: The question of how a benevolent God could allow the
existence of
evil in the world, both natural evils like devastating earthquakes and
human evils
like the Holocaust, has always been a great challenge to faith in God.
There is,
of course, a long history of responses to that problem that goes back to
Job.
While nonbelievers (like me) consider this a major problem, believers have,
for
the most part, figured out how to accommodate themselves to it./
It's obvious that Garber is talking about the god of theism. If he were
referring
to some abstract principle or set of unprovable truths there would be no
"problem
of evil" for that god.
On the contrary, computationalism will relate qualia like pain and evil
related
things with what numbers can endure in a fist person perspective yet
understand
that this enduring is ineffable and hard to justify and be confronted with
that
very problem.
But under computationlism it's not a problem. The is no presumption that a
computable world is morally good by human standards.
Under computationalism, all possible worlds and all possible observers exist and there's
nothing God can do about it. God can no more make certain observers or observations not
exist than make 2 + 2 = 3. However, a benevolent theistic god under computationalism
(with access to unlimited computing resources) could nonetheless "save" beings who
existed in other worlds by continuing the computation of their minds.
You say "could" as though he had a choice, meaning He's not part of the computable world
and is not one of the "all possible observers". Seems to me that he will have to both
save everyone and also torture everyone in hell.
Brent
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