> On 09-Oct-2014, at 10:30 pm, Platonist Guitar Cowboy > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>> On 09-Oct-2014, at 8:06 pm, Platonist Guitar Cowboy >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 09-Oct-2014, at 11:30 am, Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, October 9, 2014, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> What is your position on teleology? Do you think that there is a cause >>>>>> or purpose for everything? >>>>>> Also, what do you think of this: >>>>>> http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/08/teleology-purpose-built-universe.html >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Does God's existence have a purpose, set by a supergod? If you're happy >>>>> with the idea of God not being created for a purpose, then why insist >>>>> that the universe is created for a purpose, and why insist that humans >>>>> are created for a purpose rather than (as presumably is the case with >>>>> God) inventing their own purpose? >>>>> >>>>> --Stathis Papaioannou >>>> >>>> Valid question. However, imagining the reason for God would be speculative >>>> at best as nobody knows anything about God, nor can we observe God. >>>> However, the observable universe/multiverse/creation seems to be >>>> purpose-built and the scripture also speaks of a purpose-built creation. >>>> Samiya >>> >>> Concerning the goal you set yourself, of illustrating factual equivalence >>> of Qu'ran with scientific perspectives today, here is one, which I don't >>> share on many levels (a bit condescending at times, but at least he singles >>> out what seem to be pertinent issues), but that I can understand and relate >>> to on a few: >>> >>> http://www.foundalis.com/rlg/Quran_and_science.htm >>> >>> The very idea "factual accuracy of Qu'ran" is framed to be a major means, >>> and common meme in arguing for "recruitment" (propaganda danger), >>> something, I think we can agree, a transcendental being of any sort, >>> wouldn't need unless they had psychological issues and needed to see a >>> doctor or shaman, in which case...:-) >>> >>> I hope this addresses some of your concerns as most here have little >>> experience with content. PGC >> I have read the link and see your drift. Though I disagree with the points >> made in it, and have addressed some of them already in my blog, however, I >> do not think you wish me to discuss/refute the arguments here. > > My wishes are beside the matter. > > It's you that claims this kind of correctness in Qu'ran, making it the basis > of your reasoning and exchanges on this list and your blog, if I recall > correctly. > > It's not even off-topic in this thread, as scientists apparently care about > religion as this example shows, especially when a claim to facts and valid > reasoning is made. Or you could start another thread. > > That would be ok. > > And no, I am not uncomfortable with you refuting arguments. Quite the > contrary, if it is done in a fashion that doesn't invoke faith > authoritatively, a discourse climate that is open to inquiry and critical > examination, without confusing criticism/disagreement with personal attack, > then no problem. > > From here at least, we can verify a perspective that contrasts with yours, > which is better than making sense of your claims exclusively, as we are not > native readers, culturally. > > That is, if you care in the end about demonstrating factual accuracy in this > sense here, of course. PGC > Hmm. Please read this blogpost and let me know if this meets your 'demonstrating factual accuracy in this sense here, of course.': http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/06/dhu-al-qarnayn-polar-regions-of-earth.html?m=1 Samiya > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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