On 18 Oct 2014, at 13:02, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Bruno: Then by the ONE, I mean God, in the greek sense of whatever
is needed to have a reality and consciousness.
Richard: If MWI can be derived from comp and if the MWI is
deterministic, then IMO there is no need for consciousness.
I claim that "a reality and consciousness" , that is a single world
SWI reality, can be obtained by a cosmic consciousness that selects
a single quantum possibility in every particle interaction to become
physical- which amounts to a god or just how nature works. An
alternative that does not require consciousness is Zurek's Quantum
Darwinism. http://arxiv.org/pdf/0903.5082v1.pdf (Perhaps that is
equivalent to your Gaussian Worlds GWI).
Belinfante (who wrote an impressive book on hidden variable theories
and QM) wrote (another) book where he defends the idea of collapse
made by an observer "outside" the physical universe, to select a
unique cosmos.
As mechanism is my working hypothesis, I recover it from self-
reference and its intensional nuance from arithmetic. Alhough this
entails an inflation of dreams, we have to do the math to see if the
dreams of number cohere enough to define a universe, or a multiverse,
or a multi-multi-verse, etc.
There are some problem of language, beacsue the term "universe" is
never really well defined, a bit like the term God. It is a fuzzy
pointer.
Bruno
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:17 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 18 Oct 2014, at 02:19, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 2:12 AM, John Clark <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy <[email protected]
> wrote:
> Of course, the next distraction is to complain the world ain't
murcan enough,
Yeah, I've always said the world needs to be more murcan, in fact
some of my best friends are reoflactacly murcan; and things would
be even better if they were just more diphlesadory in a refungent
sort of way.
> with all the appropriate colonial hillbilly imperialist
connotations, including racial overtones, like correcting others
for sharing and communicating in "your" language "properly".
Mr. Cowboy, may I make a humble suggestion, before you honor us
with another of your patented stream of consciousness word salads
try waiting 5 minutes and then read what you've written aloud to
yourself. If you had done that I don't think you would have hit the
"send" button and sent the ASCII sequence quoted above to the list.
Humble? You're giving snobby English lessons to people with spell
checkers to distract still avoiding topic. PfffGC
You are right. Eventually all this is distracting talk, to avoid the
real thing, like why he stops in step 3.
What I try to understand, is why he does that. Is it fear of
understanding, or fear of not understanding. is because he has a
(blind) faith in physicalism? (He pretended that this is not the
case).
I try to understand why human can be so anti-rational on the
fundamental questions.
Bruno
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