> On 31 Oct 2014, at 11:31 am, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Beware of replies that start "But..." - these appear to often be agreement 
> cunningly disguised to look like argumentation.

Excellent point. In fact there is no real need for anyone to play the 
clever-clever "yes, but" card wherever real thinking is being done. Real 
thinkers neither agree nor disagree with each other's assertions. Real thinkers 
put their point, their observation, their piece of the puzzle on the table and 
then others either see value in it or they don't. There is no need for anyone 
to do what Clark does habitually which is to pour a bucket of scorn (or worse) 
onto someone's thinking just because it offends his personal taste in whatever; 
that's just sandpit behaviour. 

I have said it before and I will say it again now. Agreement and disagreement 
are not aspects of real thinking. There can be far too many subterfuges hidden 
in agreement to make it a genuine move. I may choose to agree with you for 
example, not because I understand you but because I want you to like me. 
Agreeing with someone is the cheapest and easiest way to gain their support, or 
to at least get them off your back. Agreement does not move thinking forward, 
it offers nothing in itself. Similarly, disagreement offers nothing other than 
a drawn sword or a rattling of a sabre in its scabbard; more sandpit behaviour.

Some so-called crazy ideas have "movement value" - this means the idea, 
although unacceptable for some reason, may be a stepping stone to a better idea 
if you freely associate with it and withhold your argument from incredulity 
kneejerk reaction.

Kim

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