On 12 Nov 2014, at 07:58, LizR wrote:
On 12 November 2014 15:42, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
> Physical processes obey the laws of physics. The 2nd law isn't a
law of physics.
The 2nd law is even more fundamental than a law of physics, it's
more like a law of logic; it's just the result of there being VASTLY
more ways to be disorganized (high entropy) than organized (low
entropy). So however a physical law changes a system, when it is
done with it the system will almost certainly be in a higher entropy
state than it was before the changes happened.
Correct. The 2nd law is simply the result of statistics - a "law of
logic" as you say.
Well, just a detail, which matters for a logician; Logic is not
enough, you need the numbers, and addition + mutiplication, and this
entails already the comp multiverse (the UD*). The whole non
triviality of reality comes from the Turing universaility that we get
when having both + and * laws operating together.
It should operate in (hypothetical) universes with all sorts of
physical laws - however, for it to do so you need a mechanism that
initialises the universe in a low entropy state, or a mechanism that
keeps raising the maximum entropy a system can attain (I - and
others - have suggested that the expansion of the universe is just
such a mechanism).
Hmm... For a many-worlder, we need only the 0-information (or near
zero) describing the superposition of the vacuum state. It is the
opposite in the de Broglie/ Bohm initial state, which needs a priori
to be a very-high information state, to enforce (non covariantly) the
particles to exist in only one term of the wave, in some chosen base.
With computationalism or the MW, the space-time structure is relative
to the observers views from inside, like UDA explains it has to be, if
computationalism is correct. Now, if computationalism is correct, the
wave itself arises phenomenologically, plausibly under the form of a
(measure winning) quantum universal dovetailer (which the wave of the
vacuum might be). We have already the quantum logic for the sigma_1
"foliation" in the UD, when seen by self-referentially correct
machines. Advantage? Consciousness is no more eliminated, (thanks to
the Solovay splitting) and corresponds to the first person discourses
of the self-aware creatures.
Bruno
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