On 12 November 2014 15:42, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014  LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Physical processes obey the laws of physics. The 2nd law isn't a law of
>> physics.
>
>
> The 2nd law is even more fundamental than a law of  physics, it's more
> like a law of logic; it's just the result of there being VASTLY more ways
> to be disorganized (high entropy) than organized (low entropy). So however
> a physical law changes a system, when it is done with it the system will
> almost certainly be in a higher entropy state than it was before the
> changes happened.
>

Correct. The 2nd law is simply the result of statistics - a "law of logic"
as you say. It should operate in (hypothetical) universes with all sorts of
physical laws - however, for it to do so you need a mechanism that
initialises the universe in a low entropy state, or a mechanism that keeps
raising the maximum entropy a system can attain (I - and others - have
suggested that the expansion of the universe is just such a mechanism).

>

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