> On 17 Nov 2014, at 4:53 am, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> On 16 Nov 2014, at 03:31, Kim Jones wrote: >> >> I wonder if by now it's worth considering in information-theoretic terms how >> the evolution of "academe" tends to result in universes in which most and >> possibly all information becomes increasingly self-referential and redundant >> ie uncreative. I don't know if the current "scandal" involving the massive >> fraud in student assignments to which most Oz unis have turned a blind eye - >> and presumably will continue to self-servingly turn a blind eye - >> fascinates you, but I can't help thinking this kind of thing necessarily >> results somehow. Has this ever happened before in history? I mean, when >> before has an entire (usually non-anglo)
I should perhaps have written "English as a second language students" >> student cohort been able to get someone else to write their assignment, pass >> their course - even though they might have difficulty sitting a basic >> English test - and collect their degree? Is it the Anthropic Principle? It's >> definitely inflation of one sort or another. The reason it's inflation is >> because it introduces the incentive to keep pushing the academic ceiling of >> "qualifiability" for this or that profession higher to allow the >> universities to charge ever higher fees amongst a clearly openly cheating >> student population. Maybe Darwin has the answer. But it also means that a >> PhD is increasingly a meaningless bauble. It also means via MWI that because >> it is possible it has already happened, therefore we should acknowledge that >> at times throughout history there is a "brake" applied to the anthropic >> gathering of knowledge by system-cheats. >> >> Question: in evolutionary terms, what is a "system-cheat"? Shouldn't we be >> studying this more? There is a clear advantage in being one... > > Would you count the fact that some spider get disguised into ants to avoid > some bird predator as a system-cheat, or a natural lies. It communicates the > lies of the spider: "no, I am not that delicious spider dinner that you love > so much, I am that disgusting unswallowable ants you would not eat even if > getting paid". It works, the bird avoid them. > > Yes, the parts of the lies the creation is not known. Are we, as Löbian > person, descendant of PA + consistent(PA), pr PA + non-consistent(PA)? > > Sometimes I tend to feel like those who believe in actual infinities might be > descendent of PA + non-consistent PA. > > Eric Vandenbussche solved the problem of showing that[ PA + > non-consistent(PA)] proves not just not more theorems than PA, (as is well > known by logicians) but even more interesting problems, basically like PA + > con(PA). > > Incompleteness entails, for the machines (and many non-machine reasonable > extensions) a big gap between proof and truth, but this propagates at deeper > (looking more concrete from inside) level, and being on the side of truth > (that is of searching the truth) might be an handicap in real life. > (Like in the physicists' "joke": a physicist looks anxious and sad, and his > colleague ask him why. He answered that his best student was trying to > understand quantum mechanics. The colleagues replied something like "I > understand you, he is on a very slope if not finished. It is a joke which > happened many times. > > In arithmetic There are many intermediate gods in between the machine and > truth, and some are devils (falsities) which can nevertheless imitates God > perfectly ... relatively to us. They make the measure problem more complex, > especially near (relative) death. > > As a platonist-friendly, I still believe in the benefits of lies reduction, > like I believe in the harm reduction philosophy in the health and risk domain. > > Bruno > OK - but where we are talking about universities passing en masse students who have not qualified to pass but rather paid someone else to do their assignment work, a syndrome that has persisted for some time and which is now openly acknowledged with a shrug of the shoulders? What kind of values are in operation here? The degree of fraud now taken for granted in the knowledge generation industry seems to be a genuine cause for comcern. Who is more at fault? Those who cheat the system or the guardians of the system allowing it to be rorted? In a system where everyone passes and no one fails, this is an easy way to keep the academics employed and does seem the unspoken reason behind this, particularly at a time when governments (at least in Australia) is seeking to divest itself of the economic burden of funding of universities. This is institutionalised dishonesty and surely compromises the integrity of all academe. I don't hear too much weeping and wailing going on! Kim > >> >> Kim Jones B. Mus. 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