On 16 Nov 2014, at 23:06, Kim Jones wrote:
On 17 Nov 2014, at 4:53 am, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
On 16 Nov 2014, at 03:31, Kim Jones wrote:
I wonder if by now it's worth considering in information-theoretic
terms how the evolution of "academe" tends to result in universes
in which most and possibly all information becomes increasingly
self-referential and redundant ie uncreative. I don't know if the
current "scandal" involving the massive fraud in student
assignments to which most Oz unis have turned a blind eye - and
presumably will continue to self-servingly turn a blind eye -
fascinates you, but I can't help thinking this kind of thing
necessarily results somehow. Has this ever happened before in
history? I mean, when before has an entire (usually non-anglo)
I should perhaps have written "English as a second language students"
student cohort been able to get someone else to write their
assignment, pass their course - even though they might have
difficulty sitting a basic English test - and collect their
degree? Is it the Anthropic Principle? It's definitely inflation
of one sort or another. The reason it's inflation is because it
introduces the incentive to keep pushing the academic ceiling of
"qualifiability" for this or that profession higher to allow the
universities to charge ever higher fees amongst a clearly openly
cheating student population. Maybe Darwin has the answer. But it
also means that a PhD is increasingly a meaningless bauble. It
also means via MWI that because it is possible it has already
happened, therefore we should acknowledge that at times throughout
history there is a "brake" applied to the anthropic gathering of
knowledge by system-cheats.
Question: in evolutionary terms, what is a "system-cheat"?
Shouldn't we be studying this more? There is a clear advantage in
being one...
Would you count the fact that some spider get disguised into ants
to avoid some bird predator as a system-cheat, or a natural lies.
It communicates the lies of the spider: "no, I am not that
delicious spider dinner that you love so much, I am that disgusting
unswallowable ants you would not eat even if getting paid". It
works, the bird avoid them.
Yes, the parts of the lies the creation is not known. Are we, as
Löbian person, descendant of PA + consistent(PA), pr PA + non-
consistent(PA)?
Sometimes I tend to feel like those who believe in actual
infinities might be descendent of PA + non-consistent PA.
Eric Vandenbussche solved the problem of showing that[ PA + non-
consistent(PA)] proves not just not more theorems than PA, (as is
well known by logicians) but even more interesting problems,
basically like PA + con(PA).
Incompleteness entails, for the machines (and many non-machine
reasonable extensions) a big gap between proof and truth, but this
propagates at deeper (looking more concrete from inside) level, and
being on the side of truth (that is of searching the truth) might
be an handicap in real life.
(Like in the physicists' "joke": a physicist looks anxious and
sad, and his colleague ask him why. He answered that his best
student was trying to understand quantum mechanics. The colleagues
replied something like "I understand you, he is on a very slope if
not finished. It is a joke which happened many times.
In arithmetic There are many intermediate gods in between the
machine and truth, and some are devils (falsities) which can
nevertheless imitates God perfectly ... relatively to us. They make
the measure problem more complex, especially near (relative) death.
As a platonist-friendly, I still believe in the benefits of lies
reduction, like I believe in the harm reduction philosophy in the
health and risk domain.
Bruno
OK - but where we are talking about universities passing en masse
students who have not qualified to pass but rather paid someone else
to do their assignment work, a syndrome that has persisted for some
time and which is now openly acknowledged with a shrug of the
shoulders?
If it was only that .... It is just infinitely sad, and short term
ranged.
What kind of values are in operation here? The degree of fraud now
taken for granted in the knowledge generation industry seems to be a
genuine cause for comcern. Who is more at fault?
The prohibitionists. They have put bandits at each level of the
society. They have the whole middle class into hostage.
Those who cheat the system or the guardians of the system allowing
it to be rorted? In a system where everyone passes and no one fails,
this is an easy way to keep the academics employed and does seem
the unspoken reason behind this, particularly at a time when
governments (at least in Australia) is seeking to divest itself of
the economic burden of funding of universities. This is
institutionalised dishonesty and surely compromises the integrity of
all academe. I don't hear too much weeping and wailing going on!
Because once you apply this, you get dishonest people having the
positions, and dishonest people rarely complain on their dishonesty.
It makes me sick, but that's life. It will not end with the ending of
prohibition, but it will end when it will be recognized that
prohibition was an attempt by criminals to rule the world. We need an
international trial, but that will take time. They use their power to
distract us with wars and fake politics.
The genuine terrorist states are all states in which cannabis is
illegal, simply. There are still very few non-terrorist states. I know
only Uruguay, Israel, Washington and Colorado.
Portugal and Holland have depenalized cannabis, but they did not make
it legal, which means that they accept to deal with the criminals
directly. It is better FAPP, but the lie continues, and the power
stays in the hand of the liars.
Bruno
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