On 20 Nov 2014, at 12:53, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 6:04 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]
> wrote:
Ah! You don't think that the collapse in one universe, creates one,
in which the information is preserved? Not uncovers one, splits of a
new clone, like an amoeba does. Perhaps there are universes that
split off when a decision gets made where, where it is analogous to
a data file. If this is so, then part of the multiverse is a
relational database. Call it Oracle-1 Delta Googleplex. I have dibbs
on the name. Patent Pending!
Collapse also doesn't conserve information. It generates new
information - the specific way in which the collapse occurred, which
adds some random bits to a value one could be constructing, and in
any case adds that new state to the universe. Only the MWI preserves
information afaics, by having the wave not collapse.
Bruno proved that information is not conserved.
?
On the contrary, I insist that information is conserved in the global
picture. Unitary evolution conserves basically everything, the scalar
product, the probabilities, information, etc. It is the collapse which
introduces an abnormal elevation of information in the memories of the
subsystem involved, but this is already explained in the self-
suplication: the guy who wake up in Washington get one bit of
information, and the guy who wakes up in Moscow get one bit of
information, despite no information is created in the duplication.
Collapse conserves energy.
The collapse does not make sense to me. I don't know what is the
collapse, except a magical non local trick to pretend that we are
unique.
Well, I came in this list, because it was based on the appreciation of
the many-worlds, if not "verything" idea, given that I show that
computationalism entails a many-dream interpretation of elementary
arithmetic, from which the many interfering compuations must be
derived, so that we can test computationalism.
Bruno
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From: LizR <[email protected]>
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Sent: Wed, Nov 19, 2014 5:39 pm
Subject: Re: Two apparently different forms of entropy
Collapse also doesn't conserve information. It generates new
information - the specific way in which the collapse occurred, which
adds some random bits to a value one could be constructing, and in
any case adds that new state to the universe. Only the MWI preserves
information afaics, by having the wave not collapse.
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