On 21 Nov 2014, at 11:05, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:38 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 20 Nov 2014, at 12:53, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 6:04 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]
> wrote:
Ah! You don't think that the collapse in one universe, creates one,
in which the information is preserved? Not uncovers one, splits of
a new clone, like an amoeba does. Perhaps there are universes that
split off when a decision gets made where, where it is analogous to
a data file. If this is so, then part of the multiverse is a
relational database. Call it Oracle-1 Delta Googleplex. I have
dibbs on the name. Patent Pending!
Collapse also doesn't conserve information. It generates new
information - the specific way in which the collapse occurred,
which adds some random bits to a value one could be constructing,
and in any case adds that new state to the universe. Only the MWI
preserves information afaics, by having the wave not collapse.
Bruno proved that information is not conserved.
?
On the contrary, I insist that information is conserved in the
global picture. Unitary evolution conserves basically everything,
the scalar product, the probabilities, information, etc. It is the
collapse which introduces an abnormal elevation of information in
the memories of the subsystem involved, but this is already
explained in the self-suplication: the guy who wake up in Washington
get one bit of information, and the guy who wakes up in Moscow get
one bit of information, despite no information is created in the
duplication.
Collapse conserves energy.
The collapse does not make sense to me. I don't know what is the
collapse, except a magical non local trick to pretend that we are
unique.
I give up. Bruno, you have to learn for yourself how collapse and QM
conserves energy.
Just think of a single pinhole experiment like Einstein did. One
particle in, the same particle out, every time.
Seems you are so anti-materialistic that energy is just an illusion
and need not be conserved.
I have just no clue why you think that energy is not conserved in the
MWI. Unfortunately I will be rather busy up to the 15 december, so you
might have time to build up an argument showing clearly why you think
the MWI does not conserve energy. If I find some time, I will on my
par try to give you an argument showing that the MW does conserve
energy.
Bruno
Richard
Well, I came in this list, because it was based on the appreciation
of the many-worlds, if not "verything" idea, given that I show that
computationalism entails a many-dream interpretation of elementary
arithmetic, from which the many interfering compuations must be
derived, so that we can test computationalism.
Bruno
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Subject: Re: Two apparently different forms of entropy
Collapse also doesn't conserve information. It generates new
information - the specific way in which the collapse occurred,
which adds some random bits to a value one could be constructing,
and in any case adds that new state to the universe. Only the MWI
preserves information afaics, by having the wave not collapse.
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