On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:38 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 20 Nov 2014, at 12:53, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 6:04 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Ah! You don't think that the collapse in one universe, creates one, in >> which the information is preserved? Not uncovers one, splits of a new >> clone, like an amoeba does. Perhaps there are universes that split off when >> a decision gets made where, where it is analogous to a data file. If this >> is so, then part of the multiverse is a relational database. Call it >> Oracle-1 Delta Googleplex. I have dibbs on the name. Patent Pending! >> >> Collapse also doesn't conserve information. It generates new information >> - the specific way in which the collapse occurred, which adds some random >> bits to a value one could be constructing, and in any case adds that new >> state to the universe. Only the MWI preserves information afaics, by having >> the wave not collapse. >> >> >> >> > > Bruno proved that information is not conserved. > > > ? > > On the contrary, I insist that information is conserved in the global > picture. Unitary evolution conserves basically everything, the scalar > product, the probabilities, information, etc. It is the collapse which > introduces an abnormal elevation of information in the memories of the > subsystem involved, but this is already explained in the self-suplication: > the guy who wake up in Washington get one bit of information, and the guy > who wakes up in Moscow get one bit of information, despite no information > is created in the duplication. > > > > Collapse conserves energy. > > > > The collapse does not make sense to me. I don't know what is the collapse, > except a magical non local trick to pretend that we are unique. > I give up. Bruno, you have to learn for yourself how collapse and QM conserves energy. Just think of a single pinhole experiment like Einstein did. One particle in, the same particle out, every time. Seems you are so anti-materialistic that energy is just an illusion and need not be conserved. Richard > > Well, I came in this list, because it was based on the appreciation of the > many-worlds, if not "verything" idea, given that I show that > computationalism entails a many-dream interpretation of elementary > arithmetic, from which the many interfering compuations must be derived, so > that we can test computationalism. > > Bruno > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: LizR <[email protected]> >> To: everything-list <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wed, Nov 19, 2014 5:39 pm >> Subject: Re: Two apparently different forms of entropy >> >> Collapse also doesn't conserve information. It generates new >> information - the specific way in which the collapse occurred, which adds >> some random bits to a value one could be constructing, and in any case adds >> that new state to the universe. 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