On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 20 Nov 2014, at 19:10, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On 20 Nov 2014, at 01:03, Russell Standish wrote: >> >> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:06:47AM -0500, Richard Ruquist wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> The collapse hypothesis is correct if we need to conserve the total >>>> energy >>>> and information in the universe. >>>> Richard >>>> >>> >>> >>> Wavefunction collapse creates information, it does not conserve it. >>> >>> Conserving information is equivalent to demanding unitarity of >>> evolution. Wave function collapse is non-unitary. >>> >> >> Exactly. It is the advantage of the "many-worlds". The evolution of the >> universe/multiverse is a unitary transformation in the configuration space >> (the Hilbert space). It is deterministic, reversible, and let the >> probabilities and the information invariant. It is also local. And it >> explains why the memories of the observers contains appearance of >> indeterminacy (in a way coherent with computationalism that Everett >> assumed), non-locality, irreversibility, etc. >> >> Like you say: the collapse, if it was a physical phenomenon, would just >> contradict QM. The collapse is really an axiom saying that QM is false when >> observers do measurement. But this has never been successfully clarified, >> imo. >> > > > With a sufficient number of observations/measurements the entire wave > function is mapped out on the detector screen. > > > Locally, I mean in your branch of the universal wave (say). But the number > of branch is the same, in the differentiation (as opposed to splitting) > view. > > > > Therefore experimental measurements verify QM. It seems we live in an > energy conserving but non-unitary, information-creating universe. > > > It seems, yes. In our branch. But not in the physical reality as a whole, > where information and energy are constant, and arbitrary I would say. > > Energy is not constant in the MWI multiverse. Richard > Bruno > > > > Richard > > >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ---------------- >>> Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) >>> Principal, High Performance Coders >>> Visiting Professor of Mathematics [email protected] >>> University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au >>> >>> Latest project: The Amoeba's Secret >>> (http://www.hpcoders.com.au/AmoebasSecret.html) >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ---------------- >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
