On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 5:00 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>> I don't think John's post implied that "conscious" was another word >>> for "intelligence". I think his position is that a being could be >>> conscious without being intelligent (which would be consistent with "aware >>> of one's self and surroundings"), but not vice versa. >>> >> >> >> Exactly. >> > > > Ah, well that is a matter of opinion. It would mean that all the tests > so far devised for intelligence that have been passed by computers, > including some versions of the Turing test, may not in fact detect > intelligence after all, > How on Earth do you figure that? > > if those machines aren't actually conscious, > If computers aren't conscious that's their problem not ours, and if you're not conscious that's your problem not mine. > which they may well not be. > As I've said over and over and over and over again, if something can be intelligent but not conscious then Darwin was wrong. > Personally, I think machines can behave in an intelligent manner without > being conscious > I do not think Darwin was wrong. > But this is getting very semantic-quibbly. If you guys want to redefine > intelligence as being something that only conscious beings have, then fine > No that is not fine. I DEFINE intelligence just as everybody else does, the ability to find novel solutions to new problems, the greater the variety of problems the greater the intelligence. I DEDUCE that if intelligent beings can be non-conscious then Darwin was wrong. My OPINION is that Darwin was not wrong. As for consciousness I refuse to give a definition but I will do something better, give a example: me. > We'll find another word for what machines (and unconscious parts of the > brain) can do that merely looks intelligent. > Why go to all the hassle of inventing a new word when nobody, absolutely positively nobody, can tell the difference between being intelligent and "merely" behaving intelligently? > Some would say that one is either conscious or not > Who would say such a silly thing? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
