On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:01 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: I was talking about your root idea that Evolution cannot detect > consciousness >
It can't and neither can we. > (because we can't, I think you said) > The reason isn't because of us, it's just that neither we nor Evolution nor anything else can detect consciousness other than our own, we can only detect actions. If Evolution can detect it then so can we and so can the Turing Test, and if Evolution can't then none of them can. > What I showed in was that natural selection will detect any kind of > difference between the same traits in two individuals, > Only if those different traits produce different actions. If a intelligent but non-conscious animal behaves differently than a intelligent and conscious animal then Evolution can detect that and so the Turing Test. And Evolution will favor whichever behavior is smarter, and if I'm correct and you can't have intelligence without consciousness then that would make Evolution's choice easy. > Natural Selection will just favour the more overall efficient traits for > that purpose. The same goes for consciousness . > Exactly, otherwise you and I would not be conscious. > This is you key big idea John. Your idea that evolution cannot detect > consciousness. > It can't. > you seem to be saying you don't know what my post is disproving > That is exactly correct, I don't know what your post is disproving, certainly not that Evolution can not see consciousness. > Go to the post and give your counter argument if you have one. > Give me a argument that Evolution can see consciousness and I'll either give you a counterargument or concede and thank you for correcting my error, but so far all I've heard is that consciousness makes a animal behave differently, something I already knew MUST be true or Evolution would have never produced it. And if it effects behavior then the Turing Test must work for consciousness too because lack of consciousness implies lack of intelligence and that implies lack of intelligent actions. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
