Richard,
On 28 Nov 2014, at 19:19, Richard Ruquist wrote:
It occurred to me that if consciousness is entirely classical- no
quantum effects- then perhaps consciousness on occurs in one world.
Or in general if most natural processes are classical, then we are
mostly in one world, maybe with a little fuzziness.
Classical, or quantum, will not change the fact that we must sum up on
all computations occurring in arithmetic. There is no quantum cloning
(in arithmetic or in some quantum reality), but there is still
multiple preparation of the states, both in arithmetic and in some
possible quantum reality.
Normally the quantum aspect of nature is due to the inside or internal
points of view in arithmetic, but of course this must be continually
verified. The verifications done so far confirm this.
Bruno
Richard
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 11:37 AM, John Clark <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 4:43 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> Let's say there are two individuals, one seems to be normal in
that there is no history of injuries to the head. While the other
individual fell off a tricycle and ended up hospitalized with a head
injury. Now let's jump into the shoes of objective reality.
OK but remember you said "objective reality", Evolution can't detect
subjective reality any better than we can. Just like us Evolution
can see actions but it can't see intentions. And the more
intelligent a animal's actions are the more likely it is that its
genes get passed into the next generation.
> we happen to know the efficiency of the conscious experience and
its delivery has been negatively impacted.
And the only way you or Evolution could have "happened to know" that
is if you observed a impairment in intelligent actions and made a
deduction from that using a theory, the theory being that
intelligence implies consciousness. A century ago, long before the
invention of the computer, this theory would have been completely
uncontroversial, and even today everybody, even the most anti-AI
people on this list, use this theory every single hour of their
waking lives; the only time they don't use it is when they're
talking philosophy on the internet because they just don't like the
idea of a sentient AI. So now all of a sudden the intelligence/
consciousness link is controversial.
I say we should look at the facts of the universe the way they are
not the way we wish they were.
> Let's say this exhibits more strongly in certain activities
If that is possible (and although I can't prove it I believe that it
is) then the Turing Test works not only for intelligence but for
consciousness too.
> Natural selection will favour the individual that does not have
the efficiency shortfall in consciousness and its delivery.
Natural selection doesn't give a damn about consciousness, how could
it if it can't even see it? And yet I know with 100% certainty that
Evolution did somehow manage to produce consciousness at least once
and probably trillions of times. How can that be? The only
explanation is that consciousness is a spandrel, the unavoidable
byproduct of intelligence.
> John you need a strong answer to this.
If your argument is valid then you are not conscious, if your
argument is not valid then you are conscious. Now ask yourself if
you are conscious or not and then ask yourself who won the argument.
Strong enough?
John K Clark
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