> On 22-Dec-2014, at 11:20 am, Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On Monday, 22 December 2014, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>> On 12/21/2014 5:09 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Monday, December 22, 2014, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, December 22, 2014, Bruce Kellett <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> John Clark wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 , Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >An instinct for self-preservation is unrelated to whether or >>>>> not >>>>> you have a fear of death, or of oblivion >>>>> >>>>> Unrelated?? Don't be ridiculous! Why the hell do you imagine >>>>> Evolution >>>>> invented the fear of death in the first place? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Evolution did not "invent a fear of death". That is purely cultural, >>>>> and is not even associated with consciousness -- it comes only with >>>>> self-awareness and an inner narrative. Evolution gave living things >>>>> an instinct for self-preservation. But you can have such an instinct >>>>> operating healthily and still not fear death. Fear of death probably >>>>> comes from a fear of the unknown, and is linked to the fear of >>>>> prolonged suffering. But oblivion is oblivion -- it is not something >>>>> to be feared because no-one has ever experienced it, or can ever >>>>> experience it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Following that reasoning, do you believe there is nothing wrong with >>>>> murder? >>>> >>>> How on earth did you get that from what I said? >>> >>> If there's nothing wrong with oblivion, and murder leads to oblivion, then >>> there's nothing wrong with murder. >> >> There's nothing wrong with having a lot of money, and bank robbery leads to >> having a lot of money, then there's nothing wrong with bank robbery. > > Yes, but I did qualify it in a subsequent email with "unless you can think of > a worse effect [than oblivion] of murder". > > You could have a go at thinking of a worse effect: > > Murder is bad because it breaks God's commandment - but then it would not be > bad if if you didn't believe in God. > > Murder is bad because it causes suffering in the person being murdered - but > then it would not be bad if you could murder someone without causing > suffering, for example by killing them quickly in their sleep. > > Murder is bad because of the loss felt by the family and friends of the > victim - but then it wouldn't be bad if you murdered a homeless person whom > nobody would miss. > Murder is bad because life is a sacred gift! Even a homeless person deserves to live his/her life. Who knows, the homeless person may be happier than someone living in a palace. Samiya > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou
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