On 06 Jan 2015, at 17:57, John Clark wrote:


On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:00 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:

> You seem to be obsessed with God,

I'm obsessed!? Bruno is the one running around trying to stick the "G-O-D" label on anything that moves not me.


I think Liz menat that you are obsessed with the christian or abramanic God, but I use the term in its original sense given by Plato, where God is the ultimate reality. This is useful to realize that the question "is god a person or a thing" is an open problem.

But I have use the label "god" only in this list, and always in reply. I do use the label "theology" for "theory of everything", though, because the theology of the universal machine fits the theology of Plotinus and Proclus, which were developed before the field was made the exclusive domain of the institutionalized non scientfic religion.

Bruno




> The problem with EI is that it needs an explanation for how the entire temporal structure arises,

The FEATURE of the inflation field is that it is much simpler than the Universe or Yahweh. And I'm not exactly sure what you're demanding, a explanation of how something, or rather how a nothing without even the *potential * to produce something produced something?

> even if it has no beginning, the theory needs to explain why this reality and no other?

This is needed only if you assume every event has a cause, and modern physics gives me little confidence that this is in fact true. I think it more likely that the existence of the inflation field is a brute fact.

> This is a fascinating question, and one in the scientific tradition of digging deeper into what's really going on.

It might be fruitful to speculate if there was something even simpler and it produced the inflation field, but then of course people would wonder what produced that. This line of inquiry can only end in 2 ways:

1) We keep finding things that are simpler and simpler but the complexity level never reaches zero and it looks like it never will, so we give up.

2) Eventually we find something that is just a brute fact and that is that.

 John K Clark





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