On 07 Jan 2015, at 19:51, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 5:05 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
> you are obsessed with the christian or abramanic God, but I use
the term in its original sense given by Plato, where God is the
ultimate reality.
Ultimate reality? What would make one reality more real than another?
Ultimate, primary, fundamental means that it is assumed in the axioms,
and not derivable from logically simpler axioms.
To a physicist pressure is a perfectly real concept, and the idea
that pressure makes a balloon expand is true. And the concept that a
million billion trillion gas molecules are pushing on the inside of
a balloon making it expand is also true. Both ideas exist and both
are true, so why is one idea more real than another?
No problem with this, but when we search a theory of everything it is
imperative to make clear what is assumed (strings, atoms, electron,
numbers, whatever + some axioms) and what we derive from them.
> This is useful to realize that the question "is god a person or a
thing" is an open problem.
The open question is rather mundane, it is what the English 3 letter
word "G-O-D" means.
But it is a simple and mudane facts that it means quite different
things according to time, place, culture. Only Fundamentalist
christians, fundamentalist muslims and bigot atheists insist on one
prcise meaning, which of course does not even exist in their frame.
In my personal opinion if you mean something that is not omniscient
not omnipotent not omnipresent not conscious is as dumb as a stump
and is not even a being it would only be good manners to use a word
other than God as that word is already taken for something else.
Sorry, but here even the wiki agrees with me, like all book on
comparative theology. the word God was used by the pre-christians
platonist, also, to which I clearly refer. Your remark just shows that
you are unable to go out of the frame of the institutionalized
religions, which is just, well, childish in our context.
Bruno
John K Clark
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