On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:42 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:

>  On 1/13/2015 7:34 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
>  Really?  On this list?  Where?  I read criticism of the NSA, of Obama,
>> of U.S. foreign policy everywhere.  There's a whole industry built around
>> it on radio.
>>
>
>  That sort of criticism is innocuous and everyone knows it. The powerful
> are not threatened by that sort of stuff. They probably even like it, it
> only reinforces the two-party system.
>
>  What they are threatened is by people openly discussing experiences with
> things that the social norms forbid. This guarantees, especially for
> political candidates, that only the most bland social-norm-abiding
> candidates will ever make it to power. And thus we are dead-locked into
> total conformity.
>
>
> So in what way are you forced to conform?  Do you want to have sex with
> sheep?
>

No.


>   Do you want to shoot up heroin?
>

Not now, but I would like the option if I were terminally ill.


>   Do you want print your own money?
>

Maybe.


>   Do you want to own a machine gun?
>

Yes!


>   I know email lists where all those things are discussed.
>

I have stopped myself from doing Google searches because I was curious
about something but then realised how it could sound. Maybe I am very
paranoid, but I suspect this is not such an uncommon experience.


> There is no loss of freedom if you are merely forbidden to do something
> you never wanted to do anyway?  Of course political candidates are bland
> and social-norm-abiding.  What would you expect in a democracy?  Are you
> hoping for Le Pen or Emerson or some new Hitler?
>

No, just something a bit less Orwellian than what we have:
http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/13/technology/security/cameron-messaging-data/index.html

Telmo.


>
> Brent
>
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