On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:48 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 12:27:06 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:11 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Roger, >>>> >>>> I have a question for you. >>>> >>>> Do you believe the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of Pi has a certain >>>> definite value, which is either 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9? >>>> >>>> If so, would you still believe this if you knew that this number is too >>>> difficult to ever compute by anyone in this universe? >>>> >>>> Does this not point to a discontinuity between mathematical truth and >>>> conceivably of that truth by us limited creatures with limited minds in a >>>> limited universe? Perhaps it does take faith to believe that digit takes a >>>> certain value between 0 and 9, but it's easier for me to accept that on >>>> faith than the converse (that it is not any one of those digits). >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> >>> Jason, >>> >>> What I believe is that there is no proposition outside a mind/head >>> that relates a circle's circumference and its diameter to get a number >>> called pi. >>> >> >> But that wasn't my question. Do you think that that the digit has a >> certain definite value (despite not being known by any human) or perhaps >> any being in this physical universe? Let's work by steps, do you think the >> 10^1th digit has a definite value? Do you think the 10^6th digit has a >> certain definite value? Do you think the 10^Nth digit has a definite value >> (for any given N)) ? >> >> >> >>> What I think does exist is: >>> >>> o A circle could exist either outside the mind or inside the mind/head >>> as the mental construct labeled "a circle". >>> >>> o It takes a mind to come up with a proposition that says that if you >>> divide the circumference of a circle by its diameter, you get pi, and that >>> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point of this pi is one of the numbers from >>> 0-9. >>> >> >> Do you believe that *one and only one* of the following statements is >> true? >> >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 1 >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 2 >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 3 >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 4 >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 5 >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 6 >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 7 >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 8 >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 9 >> >> Either you answer yes, or no to that question. If you answer yes, I don't >> see how you can escape mathematical realism. >> >> Jason >> >> > Jason, > > I believe the following: > > o I do believe that the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point of pi is either > 0-9. > Yet no mind has conceived what it is. It exists and yet it exists outside the mind of any person, which seems counter to your clams below. > > o That 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point of pi and its value of 0-9 exists > only in the mind of the person where the proposition defining pi exists. > So does defining what Pi is lead to the existence of all of its infinite digits, even if those digits are never considered by a conscious mind? If a conscious mind can reify other things it doesn't concevie why does any mind need to reify the first concept (of pi) at all? > > o That 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point of pi does not exist outside the > mind of the person where the proposition defining pi is. > > I also believe that the above was easily deducible from my first reply > Do you see how the above sentence can be construed as condescending? > and that there's no need to be condescending (Your "Let's work by steps"). > > I did not intend to be condescendin, I only sought greater clarification because your original post did not directly address my question. Breaking a complex problem into steps can isolate where the disagreement (if any) exists. Jason > > Roger > > > > > > > > >> >> >>> So, this proposition and its value as true or false only exists inside >>> a mind/head even if it describes a circle that's outside the mind. >>> >>> Roger >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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