Jason et al.,
Overall, I can never disprove that mathematical constructs don't exist
outside the head somewhere just like I can't prove my view that what we've
previously considered to be the "absolute lack-of-all" is itself an
existent entity just because no one can never or directly experiment on
either these mathematical constructs or the "absolute lack-of-all". But,
what we can do is to provide logical evidence for our ideas as we've each
been trying to do on this list, and to take our ideas and try to build a
model of reality out of them that can eventually make testable predictions.
This is what many on this list are working on, and I applaud them for it
even if I don't agree with the underlying idea. Eventually, all of us will
need to make some testable predictions, which if they get experimental
evidence backing them up,will convince others to other follow up on our
ideas and models. This is what I think many of us are working on either in
our spare time or full-time. Good luck to all of us!
Roger
P.S. One thing that I know exists is that I have to go to work tomorrow
(had today off), and I don't like it! :-)
On Monday, January 19, 2015 at 5:48:27 PM UTC-5, Roger wrote:
>
>
>>> Roger: Even if no mind has yet conceived the the 10^(10^(10^100))th
>>> decimal point of pi, the pi proposition and therefore the process of
>>> calculating its 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point and being confident that
>>> if you do the process that that number is either 0-9 are all located inside
>>> the mind/head. My view is that whenever we talk about something existing,
>>> we have to specify where and when it exists, that is, in what context or
>>> domain it exists. A thing can exist in one place and not another. A ball
>>> can exist outside the head, and a mental construct labeled "the concept of
>>> a ball" can exist inside the head.
>>>
>>
>> If a ball can exist outside the mind/head, why can't the
>> 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point of pi exist outside the mind/head? What
>> property must a thing have to have an independent existence outside of any
>> mind? (according to your theory?)
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>>> So, if the pi process were carried out inside the mind/head long enough
>>> to figure out the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point, that mental construct
>>> for that number (which would be 0-9) would exist inside the mind/head but
>>> not outside the mind/head. So, the mind is able to reify things (like the
>>> 10^(10^(10^100))th
>>> decimal point of pi) so that they exist but so that they only exist inside
>>> the mind/head and not outside the mind/head.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> Roger: Just because things can exist outside the mind/head doesn't mean
> that a specific thing does occur outside the mind/head. If the pi
> proposition and the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point of pi can be shown
> outside the mind/head or any experimental evidence for the existence of the
> pi proposition or the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point of pi existing
> outside the mind/head, I'd be happy to accept it. I can see that a circle
> can exist outside the head, but I don't see anywhere outside the mind/head,
> the proposition that if you divide the circle's circumference by its
> diameter you get pi.
>
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