On 17 Jan 2015, at 02:46, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/15/2015 8:31 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
On 16 Jan 2015, at 5:18 am, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
On 1/15/2015 3:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
It is the reason why I stopped, a long time ago, to qualify
myself as an atheist. I realized that atheists believe to much in
the christian God, paradoxically enough.
By your logic one cannot disbelieve in anything because to do so
you have to conceive of what it is your are failing to believe
(otherwise you don't know what you're talking about);
Well, yes. Of course you have to be able to conceive of what you
are going to make a choice to believe in or not! Implying that you
"have the right" to disbelieve in something you cannot conceive of
is the height of sophistry. You are merely testifying to the
limitation of your own, or of human imagination but that is
precisely the terrain we are treading here: the interface of human
ignorance with what is really real.
Of course the human imagination cannot conceive of God the way God
is. This is because WE ARE ALL THE EYES AND EARS OF GOD. The eye
cannot see itself. The hammer cannot hit itself. It can only infer
it's true nature using the imagination and HOPE that the
description adopted is exact. It never is. We cannot know what or
who we are. It's a pretty miserable state of affairs, particularly
if you are a hard-nosed scientist, I gather.
Hard-nosed scientists are inured to not knowing things. It's
mystics who insist on making up an answer because they are
uncomfortable with uncertainty.
It is false mystics. True mystics (if I can say) just learn to be
comfortable with uncertainty, indeed up to the point of seeing it as
even more incomprehensible, and getting mute on it. Alan watts
explains this well in the "the wisdom of insecurity".
Those who makes up public answer are the people who repeat without
understanding what possible true mystic says, and this with the
purpose of controlling its fellow, instead of liberating it.
Religion, science, and technics should be distinguished from the many
peculiar human use of those things.
Bruno
Brent
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