On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 7:46 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:

>  On 1/15/2015 8:31 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
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>  On 16 Jan 2015, at 5:18 am, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
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>   On 1/15/2015 3:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> It is the reason why I stopped, a long time ago, to qualify myself as an
> atheist. I realized that atheists believe to much in the christian God,
> paradoxically enough.
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> By your logic one cannot disbelieve in anything because to do so you have
> to conceive of what it is your are failing to believe (otherwise you don't
> know what you're talking about);
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>  Well, yes. Of course you have to be able to conceive of what you are
> going to make a choice to believe in or not! Implying that you "have the
> right" to disbelieve in something you cannot conceive of is the height of
> sophistry. You are merely testifying to the limitation of your own, or of
> human imagination but that is precisely the terrain we are treading here:
> the interface of human ignorance with what is really real.
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>  Of course the human imagination cannot conceive of God the way God is.
> This is because WE ARE ALL THE EYES AND EARS OF GOD. The eye cannot see
> itself. The hammer cannot hit itself. It can only infer it's true nature
> using the imagination and HOPE that the description adopted is exact. It
> never is. We cannot know what or who we are. It's a pretty miserable state
> of affairs, particularly if you are a hard-nosed scientist, I gather.
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> Hard-nosed scientists are inured to not knowing things.  It's mystics who
> insist on making up an answer because they are uncomfortable with
> uncertainty.
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"Not knowing"

a- (not)
-gnostic (know)

If scientists are inured to not knowing, why not consider yourself agnostic?

Jason

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