On 1/17/2015 2:02 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 7:46 PM, meekerdb <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:On 1/15/2015 8:31 PM, Kim Jones wrote:On 16 Jan 2015, at 5:18 am, meekerdb <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:On 1/15/2015 3:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:It is the reason why I stopped, a long time ago, to qualify myself as an atheist. I realized that atheists believe to much in the christian God, paradoxically enough.By your logic one cannot disbelieve in anything because to do so you have to conceive of what it is your are failing to believe (otherwise you don't know what you're talking about);Well, yes. Of course you have to be able to conceive of what you are going to make a choice to believe in or not! Implying that you "have the right" to disbelieve in something you cannot conceive of is the height of sophistry. You are merely testifying to the limitation of your own, or of human imagination but that is precisely the terrain we are treading here: the interface of human ignorance with what is really real. Of course the human imagination cannot conceive of God the way God is. This is because WE ARE ALL THE EYES AND EARS OF GOD. The eye cannot see itself. The hammer cannot hit itself. It can only infer it's true nature using the imagination and HOPE that the description adopted is exact. It never is. We cannot know what or who we are. It's a pretty miserable state of affairs, particularly if you are a hard-nosed scientist, I gather.Hard-nosed scientists are inured to not knowing things. It's mystics who insist on making up an answer because they are uncomfortable with uncertainty. "Not knowing" a- (not) -gnostic (know) If scientists are inured to not knowing, why not consider yourself agnostic?
"Agnostic" is a broad term. You can be agnostic about almost any question. People mean so many different things by "God" to say one is agnostic about the existence of God is virtually meaningless. But to say you are an atheist is fairly specific, one who doesn't believe the theist god exists. So, if asked, I could say I'm agnostic, but what would I be agnostic about. I wouldn't be agnostic about the god of Abraham (which is how it's likely to be understood in the U.S.). What would you mean if you said you were an agnostic?
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