On 24 Jan 2015, at 19:50, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/24/2015 1:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
In fact it is a benign move to bet that we are the same universal
person (S4Grz(PA) or S4Grz(M))(*) with diverging experiences, like
the W and M guy.
Is it? Does that apply to all sentient beings? Is it a benign bet
that I'm the same person as the fanatic from ISIL that is trying to
kill me? I'd rather bet we're different and kill him first than bet
it's indifferent who survives, because it's no indifferent to ME. I
think you have over intellectualized consciousness. It is not only
logic, it is also values.
Values is not consciousness, but is conscience, and I agree they are
related.
In front of the guy who want to kill you, there is no problem that you
defend yourself, indeed you should.
It is still better if you don't kill him/her, and get him/her sent in
jail or in some hospital. Saying it is you, does not mean, that you
agree on the acts, it just remind you that you-too, in some
environment, genetical, cultural, historical, perhaps victim of lies
and collective brainwashing, can become.
Truth is in all (universal) heads, it contains the Good, but also the
Bad. Values are important, and indeed the only real things for the
Platonicians. But this does not mean we must change the results. I
study the consequences of a common assumption, and assuming a
universal person is natural in this context.
Also, if the conception of that idea was more widespread; it might
limit the attempt of some people to annoy or kill other people, given
that they would be more likely able to suspect being, maybe, those
other people when put in a different general situation.
It helps from going from:
Hitler is the bad. We won against Hitler the bad. The good has won,
cheers and tra-la-la ...
To "I have made a big cruel mistake, I succeeded in stopping it, how
can I prevent to do it again", ...
But that is not normative, only it might encourage the "spiritual
experiences" (be it with music, or whatever) which can help people to
recognize themselves on a vaster spectrum.
Bruno
Brent
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