On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Kim Jones <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 26 Jan 2015, at 7:43 am, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > I study the consequences of a common assumption, and assuming a universal > person is natural in this context. > > > > > Here is the big sell, then. You have to somehow demonstrate to the human > race that we are a universal person. > I am working on this now actually (and have been for the past 8 years). Expect a book to be out in the near future. :-) I can think of no lesson more important than this. Jason Best of British, old son! The math alone maybe will convince another > mathematician, but without your guiding values, they will fail to see the > big picture we are sketching here, and instead will prefer to slap you down > for it! > > The concept of the Universal Person needs to be hurled at humanity from > the rooftops and from the pulpit and the schoolroom. Beethoven and Schiller > tried in the 19th century. Jesus may have had something or other to say > about it but nobody much appears to have understood. > > Plotinus: "We ought not even to say that he will *see*, but he will *be* that > which he sees, if indeed it is possible any longer to distinguish between > seer and seen, and not boldly to affirm that the two are one." > > > If comp is finally the better view of theology then it needs to be > understood and acted upon. For once we are looking at the ways in which > persons are the same rather than minutely examine the ways in which persons > differ. > > The Universal Person sees no point in war, murder, prohibition and the > like because it no longer merely applies to others; it applies to the self. > You don't disallow others from doing what you allow yourself - this is not > libertarianism; this is self-referentially correct behaviour of a > consistent machine that knows that it cannot prove with arrogant certainty > its own consistency. > > > > Also, if the conception of that idea was more widespread; it might limit > the attempt of some people to annoy or kill other people, given that they > would be more likely able to suspect being, maybe, those other people when > put in a different general situation. > > > > This then, is our only hope to enter into the experience of another in the > hope of understanding their otherness. Paradoxically, you now ERASE the > concept of "otherness" in your outlook. This is more than simple empathy. > This is the fundamental assumption that you ARE in fact more than one > single individual yourself but that you only have your personal > perspective. Different people are now seen as the self from a different > perspective. This kind of happens already in the tribal/family view of > persons but tribes and families despite being able to empathise and > psychologically bond with their own - never seem to get over their > inability to empathise with different tribes and families. > > > > It helps from going from: > > Hitler is the bad. We won against Hitler the bad. The good has won, cheers > and tra-la-la ... > > To "I have made a big cruel mistake, I succeeded in stopping it, how can I > prevent to do it again", ... > > > > This implies that humans may one day "learn the lessons of history" but > they never do. The reason is they study too much history. If you read 1,000 > books about the causes of WWI then you have not become an expert at how to > prevent war but rather an expert at how to cause war. > > There is no school subject called "Human Universality". Why do humans > never study the ways in which all the tribes and clans and families are the > same as each other? What really is the difference between a Jew and a > Palestinian? A Chinese and a Japanese? A German and an Austrian? A > Christian and a Muslim. All of these designators are fake, fake, fake. They > all say "I want to be taken seriously on tribal family grounds, not on > grounds of human universality." > > K > > > But that is not normative, only it might encourage the "spiritual > experiences" (be it with music, or whatever) which can help people to > recognize themselves on a vaster spectrum. > > > Bruno > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
