Liz, while you are in the mood... I have a good maxim for freedom (don't claim absolute inventorship): when you are 'free' to do anything without infringing into the freedom of others. (Under the commis we formulated it differently: freedom means to feel free to do anything that had been allowed to do by the commi authorities). Yet I am in trouble with FREE SPEACH. I*dentifying it *will reduce its freedom. Not identifying, however, will lead to misuse. Beyond the classic "FIRE" in a theatre. It is hard to correlate it with the above ID John M of 'freedom'.
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 5:27 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > War is peace > Freedom is slavery > Ignorance is strength > > Did he have a hotline to the 21st century or what??? > > > On 21 January 2015 at 10:00, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected] >> > >> >> >> Forget ball games. I wager that when the jihadists strike here in either >> a series of small attacks or another 911, your side, for coddling the >> jihadists will be held to account. And, sadly, people will say, "At least >> under Bush we felt safe." >> >> Like any good fascist you take your propagandist tactics right from >> Goebbels playbook. Just because I don't want get with your insane genocidal >> clash of civilizations program does not mean that therefore I am "coddling" >> jihadist criminals. Screw you and your attempt to pin responsibility on me >> -- and everyone who does not buy into your extremist world views - for the >> acts of violent criminals. >> >> If you really believe your own invective then you should be going off >> yourself to fight your crusade... why aren't you? Are you a coward? Who >> demands others go do the dying for your psychopathic desires >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < >> [email protected]> >> To: everything-list <[email protected]> >> Sent: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 7:21 pm >> Subject: Re: Free Speech is not Free unless it is allowed for every point >> of view >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected] >> > >> >> >>Hmmm! Then you have wasted your companie's, valuable time bantering >> with someone you don't like and can't control? Some software schmuck, you >> must be. Where are your ethics, man? Oh, wait, I take that back, for most >> progressives do not possess this attribute, only the hunger to control. >> Well, mah trailer needs propane re-fuelin' and I gotta git down to thuh >> liquer store before mama june kills me. Wee dawgies! Now yew git on and a >> keep a cod'in and developin' whatever that is? P.S, the seahawks suck and >> the pats will roll over yer candy asses. What do yew and the Pats have in >> common? Ansdwer: Deflated balls. Bwah hah hah hah! Even Mama June bust out >> laffin at that wun. >> >> Why would my company care if I take a few minutes here and there during >> the day? It knows -- from working deployed, low defect, high performant >> software -- that it gets excellent value from my services, which is why it >> continues to have me (and others like me) fulfill them. This is also why >> the globally preeminent technology companies I work for DO NOT -- AND WILL >> NEVER -- higher incompetent angry windbags like you... who have an >> overblown sense of their own entitlement coupled with a lack of any >> valuable real skills. You have nothing of any value to exchange; your labor >> is just not worth very much to them. >> >> P.S. The Seahawks won the game and are going to the Super Bowl. >> Spectacular last five minutes and over time play on that game. >> >> But... Hey there goober, isn't it time for you to mosey on down to see >> if your (government) check is in the mail box (delivered to you by our >> socialist mail service). >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < >> [email protected]> >> To: Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < >> [email protected]> >> Sent: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 6:35 pm >> Subject: Fw: Free Speech is not Free unless it is allowed for every point >> of view >> >> ----- Forwarded Message ----- >> *From:* spudboy100 via Everything List < >> [email protected]> >> >> >>Nupe. Basically you are explaining away the election losses and the >> endless trail of middle class taxpayer dollars, to the blue state >> governments, their government unions, and the underclass, who is content >> with Mexican billionaire and Obola contributor, Carlos Slim Helu's cheapo >> chump trak phones, welfare checks, food stamps, ghettos, hoods, and >> barrios. What has changed is that from a political studies pov, enough of >> the demographic of the white middle and working classes, who want to work >> (unlike your crack and meth head friends), realize they have gotten burned >> bad, by a political class that is neither interested in their financial >> well being, nor their physical safety, from your Islamic State >> sympathizers, like yourself. I see a time, fairly soon, when a plurality of >> American residents, whether legally here or not will say to themselves, "at >> least under Bushie I felt safe!" I probably care for the Bushes in US >> politics on a scale somewhat less then yourself (hard to say since your >> progie derangement must make cognitive thinking difficult at best for you), >> but based on what is happening overseas, this day will arrive. Keep on >> strumming your guitar dude, its supposedly therapeutic. >> >> Don't have the time (nor the desire) to respond to your delusional >> oxycontin fueled rant in detail -- because like most progressives -- I am >> at work, earning money for my family to live on. Not all of us can be Tea >> Party welfare queens. >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < >> [email protected]> >> To: everything-list <[email protected]> >> Sent: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 3:50 pm >> Subject: Re: Free Speech is not Free unless it is allowed for every point >> of view >> >> Anyone can look up the facts (over the last few election cycles). >> If you add up all Blue states in one column and all red states in another >> column the blue column of states turns out to be a net contributor to the >> federal revenue; the red states are net recipients of federal tax dollars. >> Such simple mathematical averaging may be beyond your Tea Party math >> skills however; so I can recognize why you are struggling with this... as >> with so many concepts that require some actual thinking. >> This pattern also holds when you do more micro analysis at the zipcode >> level. The net result is that it is blue America that is actually >> paying the bills, and working to make our country prosper; while it is red >> America that is doing the whining and demanding war.... while living off of >> those government checks.... like welfare queens. The Tea Party hates the >> hand that is feeding it, which you got to admit is fairly ironic. >> Oh, and Mitch it is turkeys like you that are getting stuffed... I know >> it makes you mad as hell. Take some personal responsibility to better your >> own life; it is not the fault of Islam or of those Mexicans laborers either >> that you find yourself so marginalized. >> -Chris >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected] >> > >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Monday, January 19, 2015 12:10 PM >> *Subject:* Re: Free Speech is not Free unless it is allowed for every >> point of view >> >> The state thing shows how fanatically blind you really are. Illinois, >> prospering, and how's Detroit faring in Michigan? NY state rolling in cash? >> Connecticut cashing in big? What about Red State cash flow? Texas, yes >> indeed, the Dakotas, yep, so your hyperthyroid statements are specious, at >> best. Under your gawd, Bamer, the rich have gotten so much richer, and they >> poor get cellphones. Splendid! Also, if your godling is doing so great, >> then why ask for 320 billion more for the federal budget? This will be in >> his state of destruction message tomorrow night. Most blue state peoples >> are now leaving for the South economically speaking where jobs are to be >> had, because or conservative fiscal practices, which sorry to tell you, >> actually work. Now this is for them blueboys that actually want to work. >> Many who stay, are your kind of people, meth heads that steal from their >> grandma's so as to feed their habit. That sad fact has become kind of >> common in dear old Washington state, hasn't it? Lastly, Bamer protects the >> super rich in both parties, so there's your oligarchy. The welfare >> statement is your attempt at humor, or are you really this delusional in >> real life? If anything, conservatives want to cut welfare rolls, while the >> progressive party views then as captive voters who are dependent on the >> graciousness of you fascists, so as to ensure the ballot boxers get >> stuffed. Speaking of getting stuffed, why don't you? >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < >> [email protected]> >> To: everything-list <[email protected]> >> Sent: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 2:18 pm >> Subject: RE: Free Speech is not Free unless it is allowed for every point >> of view >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] [ >> mailto:[email protected] >> <[email protected]?>] >> *Sent:* Monday, January 19, 2015 10:49 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Free Speech is not Free unless it is allowed for every >> point of view >> >> Based on the US experience, the sales pitch that all is wonderful has >> failed and keeps failing, simply because the selling doesn't live up to >> reality. In the US we used to call this, Wrapping yourself up in the flag." >> Or as the British Dr. Johnson once wrote, "Patriotism is the last refuge of >> a scoundrel." In the US we have added an amended version of Doc Johnson's >> statement, which is, "Calling racism is the new last refuge of a >> scoundrel." Case in point is the reverend Al Sharpton who call racism at >> every junction and if there isn't anything to talk about like a police >> killing, he will make one up out of whole cloth, as he did with the Tawanna >> Brawley incident years ago. He tends to take huge sums from big >> corporations so as to avoid picketing and protestors outside company >> headquarters. Needless to state, it has been profitable for him, >> personally, without changing the corporate climate or the number of black >> American's actually hired. As far as freedom goes, most people in the US >> only care about it when its restricted for themselves, and, in any case, >> most have zero to really say. The US is the same country whose voters would >> sell their votes for free cell phones, food stamps (subsidized purchases), >> and fatter welfare checks. I don't see this changing anytime soon and do >> expect Mama Clinton, in the US to win the presidency in 2016. >> >> This stream of “consciousness” of yours provides a fascinating window >> into the discombobulated processes at work in your brain, as it fires on >> all four cylinders. It seems like you are trying to say something >> important, but are having a lot of trouble forming cogent opinions. >> Perhaps if instead of spending all these years angry at all those >> identifiable “other” people for having “robbed” you of the life you “were >> entitled” to, you had instead done something about it to improve your own >> skills you would be better off. You Tea Party types always blaming other >> people for your ills… and never doing anything of substance to take >> personal responsibility. >> As I pointed out the Blue states are the states that are actually paying >> for the government; we are net contributors. On average Red states depend >> on federal government largesse; e.g. a bunch of welfare recipients. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> >> To: everything-list <[email protected]> >> Sent: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 1:30 pm >> Subject: Re: Free Speech is not Free unless it is allowed for every point >> of view >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:15 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >> Seconded (I am allowed to say that, right?) >> >> Of course it isn't just France. And some countries go one step further >> and actively brainwash their citizens from an early age into thinking they >> are wonderful, and thus try to prevent even the possibility of >> "thoughtcrime". >> >> I completely agree with you and Chris on this. >> >> The tragic thing for me, as an European, is that the USA were the ones >> leading the way in terms of free speech. Europe never adopted something as >> strong as the first amendment. Europeans love to say the "free speech has >> its limits", which is a nonsensical, in my opinion. >> >> I always assume that Europe would catch up with the USA on this. >> Unfortunately, it seems that the opposite is happening. >> >> >> >> On 18 January 2015 at 17:06, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> It is sad to see, for France has such a heritage, but it seems there >> is diminishing actual functioning Free Speech rights in France; when scores >> of people are getting arrested and thrown into jail for unpopular free >> speech, which in France has now become the new Orwellian thought crime of >> “supporting terrorism”. >> Either Free Speech applies to all; or it does not apply. 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