On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Jason Resch <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> If you define increased intelligence as decreased probability of having >>> a false belief on any randomly chosen proposition, then superintelligences >>> will be wrong on almost nothing, and their beliefs will converge as their >>> intelligence rises. Therefore nearly all superintelligences will operate >>> according to the same belief system. We should stop worrying about trying >>> to ensure friendly AI, it will either be friendly or it won't according to >>> what is right. >>> >> >> I wonder if this isn't prevented by Gödel's incompleteness. Given that >> the superintelligence can never be certain of its own consistency, it must >> remain fundamentally agnostic. In this case, we might have different >> superintelligences working under different hypothesis, possibly occupying >> niches just like what happens with Darwinism. >> > > Interesting point. Yes a true super intelligence may never perform any > actions, as its trapped in never being certain (and knowing it never can be > certain) that its actions are right. Fitness for survival may play some > role in how intelligent active agents can be before they become inactive. > Yes, that's an interesting way to put it. I wonder. > > >> >> >>> >>> I think chances are that it will be friendly, since I happen to believe >>> in universal personhood, and if that belief is correct, then >>> superintelligences will also come to believe it is correct. And with the >>> belief in universal personhood it would know that harm to others is harm to >>> the self. >>> >> >> I agree with you, with the difference that I try to assume universal >> personhood without believing in it, to avoid becoming a religious >> fundamentalist. >> >> > Interesting. Why do you think having beliefs can lead to religious > fundamentalism. Would you not say you belief the Earth is round? Could such > a belief lead to religious fundamentalism and if not why not? > This leads us back to a recurring discussion on this mailing list. I would say that you can believe the Earth to be round in the informal sense of the word: your estimation of the probability that the earth is round is very close to one. I don't think you can believe the earth to be round with 100% certainty without falling into religious fundamentalism. This implies a total belief in your senses, for example. That is a strong position about the nature of reality that is not really backed up by anything. Just like believing literally in the Bible or the Quran or Atlas Shrugged. Telmo. > > Jason > > >> Telmo. >> >> >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I can´t even enumerate the number of ways in which that article is >>>> wrong. >>>> >>>> First of all, any intelligent robot MUST have a religion in order to >>>> act in any way. A set of core beliefs. A non intelligent robot need them >>>> too: It is the set of constants. The intelligent robot can rewrite their >>>> constants from which he derive their calculations for actions and if the >>>> robot is self preserving and reproduce sexually, it has to adjust his >>>> constants i.e. his beliefs according with some darwinian algoritm that must >>>> take into account himself but specially the group in which he lives and >>>> collaborates.. >>>> >>>> If the robot does not reproduce sexually and his fellows do not execute >>>> very similar programs, it is pointless to teach them any human religion. >>>> >>>> These and other higher aspects like acting with other intelligent >>>> beings communicate perceptions, how a robot elaborate philosophical and >>>> theological concepts and collaborate with others, see my post about >>>> "robotic truth" >>>> >>>> But I think that a robot with such level of intelligence will never be >>>> possible. >>>> >>>> 2015-02-09 21:59 GMT+01:00 meekerdb <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> In two senses of that term! Or something. >>>>> >>>>> http://bigthink.com/ideafeed/robot-religion-2 >>>>> >>>>> http://gizmodo.com/when-superintelligent-ai-arrives- >>>>> will-religions-try-t-1682837922 >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Alberto. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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