On 08 Mar 2015, at 15:42, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 7:36 AM, Telmo Menezes
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> I have generally been inclined to agree with JKC that natural
selection can't act on consciousness, only on intelligence; so
consciousness is either a necessary byproduct of intelligence or
it's a spandrel.
> If you assume materialism.
In science if you don't assume materialism then one theory works as
well (and as poorly) as any other theory. That's why all non-
materialistic theories of consciousness are such a colossal waste of
time, they're so bad they're not even wrong.
The current computationalist theory of consciousness does not assume
the primitiveness of the physical reality, only some stable Turing
universal aspect of it.
The only materialist theory of consciousness I know are von Neuman
wave collapse by consciousness, O r Penrose gravity/consciousness
variant. Those are non mechanist (non computationalist) theories.
Hamerov theory, where the mind needs a quantum computer/brain does not
explicitly invoke a primitive material universe, either.
Everett is neutral and does not address the question, and he missed
the fact that it has to extend the FPI on the whole of the sigma_1
reality. His approach is valid with computationalism, but incomplete.
Primitive matter fails. It is phlogiston. Arithmetic explains why some
number are hallucinated by some true and stable, or false, and
sometimes persisting, measurable number relations. Some explanations
are testable.
Bruno
John K Clark
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