On 3/20/2015 6:32 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 20 Mar 2015, at 20:51, John Clark wrote:


On Thu, Mar 19, 2015  Bruno Marchal <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        >> Then the Turing Test works for consciousness and not just for 
intelligence.


    > It can give an idea that some entity is conscious, if long enough, and 
with
    entity similar to you. It can not work for intelligence.


Good God!

Let us hope.




In the final analysis passing the Turing Test just means being observed doing intelligent things,

The Turing test measure the ability in the domain "passing a Turing tests".

But I think you're imagining the Turing test in a restricted way. The Turing test can measure learning ability too. You've asked Liz and me to prove some theorems in modal logic. I don't know about Liz, but I learned what I know about modal logic from you on this list. So does my proving those theorems mean I only exhibited competence, or was it intelligence? Do you think it is impossible to distinguish intelligence from competence?

If you're going to suppose that the world can be emulated by digital computation I think you'll have to accept that digital communication, "the domain of passing a Turing test", is sufficient for any learning, intelligence, and competence.

Brent

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