On 23 Mar 2015, at 18:21, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
We search truth, I think. Truth is what is behind all the lies.
Quentin and Kim are right, no need to add one.
Lies are the window dressing that is wrapped around the truth in
order for it to appear to be otherwise. Often the lie itself
provides clues to the truth it is seeking to hide.
I can agree with this, but it reminds me some child teasing another
one, and saying "you will so much appreciate when I will stop", ...
The lies tell something about the liar, but the problem is that this
can be understood and exploited only when we know the liar is a liar,
which they usually hide.
I think so.
I often read the press from various different countries in order to
try to parse the lies I read in each single point of view – I assume
all media lies J
That's not true. Sometimes even weather predictions are realized!
Many times by reading first the lies of one side then reading the
lies published by the opposing point of view it is possible to see
what the real matters (being lied about) are… to sweep away the mass
of bull shit and distill out the actual content. In lies and amongst
lies – especially opposing lies – grains of truth can escape and be
discovered like nuggets of gold in the wash pan.
OK.
It is interesting in this way to listen to liars and to their lies,
for – IMO – they often give away far more than they believe they
are, and in seeking to misdirect and misinform they can sometimes
reveal things that one may have not even been looking for.
Assuming you are competent enough to unravel the lie.
OK. I am afraid of liars, because I see that lies are injuring
people, or even killing them, like with a friend of mine who died
from cancer's treatment, where I strongly suspect he would have
lived much longer, and in better shape without the treatment, and
with other treatments we are lied about since a long time.
Same with the jews, and the Israeli, and many muslims, and the
homosexual, which I think are victim of a propaganda quite similar
to the propaganda against cannabis, with the same kind of inversion
p->q/q->p, same overgeneralization, same quasi-professional lie.
Lies among humans make their life more insecure, for bad reason. How
to trust them on climate if they can lie on cancers for so long.
Lies do kill as surely as bullets! Spiritual awakening has a lot to
do with shedding the lies about oneself that oneself has assumed
onto oneself and that are worn like a veil over the soul.
OK. That can go far. The rabbit hole has some depth.
Universal machines warn us gently: []f v <>[]f : "I lie or I might lie".
(a theorem of G, equivalent to Gödel's ~[]f -> ~[]~[]f).
Bruno
I have no problem with liberal markets, but if money is based on
lies, then it is a case of stealing others, and injuring them.
Agreed
Chris
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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