RE: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness--

Fri, 27 Mar 2015 22:11:55 -0700 

 

 

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On 23 Mar 2015, at 18:21, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:





We search truth, I think. Truth is what is behind all the lies. Quentin and Kim 
are right, no need to add one.

Lies are the window dressing that is wrapped around the truth in order for it 
to appear to be otherwise. Often the lie itself provides clues to the truth it 
is seeking to hide.

 

I can agree with this, but it reminds me some child teasing another one, and 
saying "you will so much appreciate when I will stop", ...

 

The lies tell something about the liar, but the problem is that this can be 
understood and exploited only when we know the liar is a liar, which they 
usually hide.

 

Of course, and this is what the liar counts on, and why in species after 
species it seems lying (or intentional deceit of one form or another) is so 
widespread. 

However in my experience liars – at least most liars – have tells… small 
quirks, fleeting micro-expressions, and modes of “telling” something, based on 
a truthful mode arising from actual experience whereas a lie is manufactured 
using imagination – the scene for example is imagined by the liar. Truth and 
the lie arise from different neural firing networks – truth can be seen simply 
as best effort memory recall; whilst the act of lying involves an imagined 
facsimile of actual events (some of which may be true, but others that will be 
fictional). 

 

 

I think so. 

 

I often read the press from various different countries in order to try to 
parse the lies I read in each single point of view – I assume all media lies J  

 

That's not true. Sometimes even weather predictions are realized!

 

as they say… even a broken clock is spot on time… twice a day. 

Seriously though, given that power uses deceit amplified via the mass media as 
one of its principal mechanisms for maintaining control and effectively 
engaging in the widespread social engineering of peoples beliefs and subsequent 
behavior; I would argue that it is most often wise to assume that whatever is 
read or seen, especially if it concerns some subject, over which there is 
controversy or large fortunes are tied to one point of view prevailing over 
another… that it is wise to assume that much of what is reported has been 
embellished, slanted, spun, omitted, characterized, associated with a positive 
or negative value. 

 

 

Many times by reading first the lies of one side then reading the lies 
published by the opposing point of view it is possible to see what the real 
matters (being lied about) are… to sweep away the mass of bull shit and distill 
out the actual content. In lies and amongst lies – especially opposing lies – 
grains of truth can escape and be discovered like nuggets of gold in the wash 
pan.

 

OK.

 





 






It is interesting in this way to listen to liars and to their lies, for – IMO – 
they often give away far more than they believe they are, and in seeking to 
misdirect and misinform they can sometimes reveal things that one may have not 
even been looking for.

 

 

Assuming you are competent enough to unravel the lie. 

 

Yes, that is the difficult part J

 





 

OK. I am afraid of liars, because I see that lies are injuring people, or even 
killing them, like with a friend of mine who died from cancer's treatment, 
where I strongly suspect he would have lived much longer, and in better shape 
without the treatment, and with other treatments we are lied about since a long 
time.

 

I am sorry for your friend and your loss. 

My family has been living with cancer for years now… my wife has stage IV 
inflammatory breast cancer (one of the worst kinds to have). Four years ago she 
was expected to live only a few months. On the one hand without the medical 
treatment, including chemo she is on, she would have long ago died; on the 
other hand we are acutely aware of its limits and downsides. We feel she is 
alive today because she also sees a Chinese medicine doctor and through regular 
practice of Qigong; our house is like an apothecary we have so many herbs. We 
had very little faith in western medicine, but her cancer was so aggressive and 
so rapid that it utterly overwhelmed us.. we lost a lot and she endured 
atrocious levels of pain and suffering… 

Life is something we have learned to live, day by day, and this is how we do 
it. 

 

Same with the jews, and the Israeli, and many muslims, and the homosexual, 
which I think are victim of a propaganda quite similar to the propaganda 
against cannabis, with the same kind of inversion p->q/q->p, same 
overgeneralization, same quasi-professional lie. 

 

Far too many human beings live within cultural prisons that have been over many 
years and decades inseminated into their very being and habit of mind – the 
notional constructs, which are accepted as unquestioned truth. I am all for 
freeing human beings from these prisons of the soul, unfortunately there is no 
profit in that; while on the other hand herding and then imprisoning people 
into cultural prison systems can produce great profit for those who control 
those cultures.

 

Lies among humans make their life more insecure, for bad reason. How to trust 
them on climate if they can lie on cancers for so long

 

Lies do kill as surely as bullets! Spiritual awakening has a lot to do with 
shedding the lies about oneself that oneself has assumed onto oneself and that 
are worn like a veil over the soul.

 

OK. That can go far. The rabbit hole has some depth. 

 

Yeah… for sure, unveiling from within, enables insight.

Chris

 

Universal machines warn us gently: []f v <>[]f : "I lie or I might lie". 

 

(a theorem of G, equivalent to Gödel's ~[]f -> ~[]~[]f).

 

Bruno

 





 

I have no problem with liberal markets, but if money is based on lies, then it 
is a case of stealing others, and injuring them.

 

Agreed

Chris

 

http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/

 

 

 

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