“We're all islands shouting lies to each other across seas of misunderstanding.” ― Rudyard Kipling <https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/6989.Rudyard_Kipling>, *The Light That Failed <https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/1600120>*
On 28 March 2015 at 18:11, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:everything- > > > > On 23 Mar 2015, at 18:21, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: > > > > We search truth, I think. Truth is what is behind all the lies. Quentin > and Kim are right, no need to add one. > > Lies are the window dressing that is wrapped around the truth in order for > it to appear to be otherwise. Often the lie itself provides clues to the > truth it is seeking to hide. > > > > I can agree with this, but it reminds me some child teasing another one, > and saying "you will so much appreciate when I will stop", ... > > > > The lies tell something about the liar, but the problem is that this can > be understood and exploited only when we know the liar is a liar, which > they usually hide. > > > > Of course, and this is what the liar counts on, and why in species after > species it seems lying (or intentional deceit of one form or another) is so > widespread. > > However in my experience liars – at least most liars – have tells… small > quirks, fleeting micro-expressions, and modes of “telling” something, based > on a truthful mode arising from actual experience whereas a lie is > manufactured using imagination – the scene for example is imagined by the > liar. Truth and the lie arise from different neural firing networks – truth > can be seen simply as best effort memory recall; whilst the act of lying > involves an imagined facsimile of actual events (some of which may be true, > but others that will be fictional). > > > > > > I think so. > > > > I often read the press from various different countries in order to try to > parse the lies I read in each single point of view – I assume all media lies > J > > > > That's not true. Sometimes even weather predictions are realized! > > > > as they say… even a broken clock is spot on time… twice a day. > > Seriously though, given that power uses deceit amplified via the mass > media as one of its principal mechanisms for maintaining control and > effectively engaging in the widespread social engineering of peoples > beliefs and subsequent behavior; I would argue that it is most often wise > to assume that whatever is read or seen, especially if it concerns some > subject, over which there is controversy or large fortunes are tied to one > point of view prevailing over another… that it is wise to assume that much > of what is reported has been embellished, slanted, spun, omitted, > characterized, associated with a positive or negative value. > > > > > > Many times by reading first the lies of one side then reading the lies > published by the opposing point of view it is possible to see what the real > matters (being lied about) are… to sweep away the mass of bull shit and > distill out the actual content. In lies and amongst lies – especially > opposing lies – grains of truth can escape and be discovered like nuggets > of gold in the wash pan. > > > > OK. > > > > > > > > > > > It is interesting in this way to listen to liars and to their lies, for – > IMO – they often give away far more than they believe they are, and in > seeking to misdirect and misinform they can sometimes reveal things that > one may have not even been looking for. > > > > > > Assuming you are competent enough to unravel the lie. > > > > Yes, that is the difficult part J > > > > > > > > OK. I am afraid of liars, because I see that lies are injuring people, or > even killing them, like with a friend of mine who died from cancer's > treatment, where I strongly suspect he would have lived much longer, and in > better shape without the treatment, and with other treatments we are lied > about since a long time. > > > > I am sorry for your friend and your loss. > > My family has been living with cancer for years now… my wife has stage IV > inflammatory breast cancer (one of the worst kinds to have). Four years ago > she was expected to live only a few months. On the one hand without the > medical treatment, including chemo she is on, she would have long ago died; > on the other hand we are acutely aware of its limits and downsides. We feel > she is alive today because she also sees a Chinese medicine doctor and > through regular practice of Qigong; our house is like an apothecary we have > so many herbs. We had very little faith in western medicine, but her cancer > was so aggressive and so rapid that it utterly overwhelmed us.. we lost a > lot and she endured atrocious levels of pain and suffering… > > Life is something we have learned to live, day by day, and this is how we > do it. > > > > Same with the jews, and the Israeli, and many muslims, and the homosexual, > which I think are victim of a propaganda quite similar to the propaganda > against cannabis, with the same kind of inversion p->q/q->p, same > overgeneralization, same quasi-professional lie. > > > > Far too many human beings live within cultural prisons that have been over > many years and decades inseminated into their very being and habit of mind > – the notional constructs, which are accepted as unquestioned truth. I am > all for freeing human beings from these prisons of the soul, unfortunately > there is no profit in that; while on the other hand herding and then > imprisoning people into cultural prison systems can produce great profit > for those who control those cultures. > > > > Lies among humans make their life more insecure, for bad reason. How to > trust them on climate if they can lie on cancers for so long > > > > Lies do kill as surely as bullets! Spiritual awakening has a lot to do > with shedding the lies about oneself that oneself has assumed onto oneself > and that are worn like a veil over the soul. > > > > OK. That can go far. The rabbit hole has some depth. > > > > Yeah… for sure, unveiling from within, enables insight. > > Chris > > > > Universal machines warn us gently: []f v <>[]f : "I lie or I might lie". > > > > (a theorem of G, equivalent to Gödel's ~[]f -> ~[]~[]f). > > > > Bruno > > > > > > > > I have no problem with liberal markets, but if money is based on lies, > then it is a case of stealing others, and injuring them. > > > > Agreed > > Chris > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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