Friends, you ALL are bugged down into 2nd rate argumentation. Russell had the only straight thought in his 2nd post so far (But his ideas come from Down Under...). We are in a fatal struggle facing every advancement (??) we made (and I speak in the name of the so called 'western civilisation') over the past - say - millennium to a brutal and ignorant force recognising only that 1500 y.o. script (lately barely understandable for recent readers) - and working to behead all 'infidels'. The so callable 'Islamist' dilemma centered on a Sunni - Shia divide, (not really!) after AlQuaeda attacked the USA, then pro-activated African countries in their behalf, the IS emerged as a forceful variant of it against the Iraqi and Syrian Shia regimes - now combining with AlQuaeda descendants (and many further variations) into ONE extremist front, which, however, appears differently in various countries. The USA (and several parts of Europe) (almost?) fight it, but also fights their AND it's own enemies: the Shiite Persians. Saudiland seems to use Yemen as a springboard to lead the efforts, yet only against Shias, but that may change soon. The US-cooperation is well 'oiled' for those, who direct the policies (including the highly profitable weapons industry and the destruction of many Americans forced into far countries for such profits). Is IS enough to win, or will they combine forces with the Saudis etc., maybe with the Shiites as well against the western world? And don't believe Down Under is exempt from the catastroph.
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 1:07 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2015 7:16 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Life in the Islamic State for women > > > > Quentin, sometime its who you are silent about that is an indictment. For > example, during the Vietnam conflict, there were mass demonstrations > against the war. The leaders of the antiwar movement were never pacifists, > but sided with the communists, and especially what the soviets wanted. They > never protested against the Soviets hold in eastern europe or soviet > funding wars in the middle east, North Korea, or, especially the communist > Khmer Rogue in Kapuchea, where a million were massacred, Stalin Style, Mao > style. Silent, like the lambs, to paraphrase Hannibal Lecter. These > anti-war types, because of their being not pacifists, but communist, in > their ideology, remained silent, Similarly, the anti-war peeps of today > support the Islamists. For personal example (a minor one) when I perused > the IEET site, where in one professor of anthropology, wrote an article on > that website, stating that the Hamas war against Israel was a Transhumanist > cause. I challenged the fellow on this and pondered what Transhumanists can > have in common with Hamas who believes in and enforces Shariah Law (and all > that implies). Let us say the examples I raised met with objections there, > where John Hughes likes things hard left. I ended up contacting a former > manager of that site who confirmed my view (his moderate > liberal-libertarian). > > > > You have a strange distorted understanding of history as it becomes when > squeezed through the toothpaste tube of your ideological optic. You are > living proof of the dangers of subjectivism, of how the act of wearing > ideological blinders distorts reality into the weird paranoid production > your mind perceives. You take partial facts, half-truths, fantastic > interpretation and cook up a grand conspiracy in the feverish recesses of > your mental reification of reality – as it becomes perceived through your > distorted optic. Reality only seems this way to you because this is what > your mind’s eye demands it should be. > > I love my country enough to criticize it; do you? > > Chris > > > > Now you may ask why would leftists who call themselves now, progressives, > side with the Islamists? An incomplete explanation is the progressives hope > the Islamists knock the crap out of the West, thus, leaving themselves as > the beneficiaries of such a civilizational failure. Maybe its a knee-jerk > reaction? I don't care anymore, I just view who sides with whom. For > instance, there has never been a proposed boycott out of academia against > Saudi, Qatar, Iran, Iraq (under Saddam) North Korea, etc. I am not trying > to convince you (an impossible task) simply trying to point out the logical > incongruity of being good with Islamist totalitarianism. I am surprised > that our civilization has not erupted in massive violence, and right now > the streets are quiet? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, Mar 31, 2015 9:35 am > Subject: Re: Life in the Islamic State for women > > > > > > 2015-03-31 12:11 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>: > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > 2015-03-31 10:37 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>: > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Russell Standish <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 07:04:10AM -0400, spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote: > > Well, its not the new jihadists I blame, but the (yes) leftist > academics, politicians, and news thugs, that have long, empowered, and made > excuses for these aggressors. My suspicion is that they see the jihadists > worldwide as being able to topple their shared "capitalist enemies." Why > else would somebody make excuses, constantly, for jihadists, islamists, and > their antidemocratic mindset, anti women, and so forth? The left in all > lands serve as the Islamist enablers, and some are billionaires who lean > left. Yeah, I know this is divisive, but it's sadly, accurate. Maybe, you > left voters could start to vote for nationalist politicians in your > countries as a push-back against the jihadist-catering pols, academics, and > newsies? You could still be for social justice and spend for it, but > coddling the islamists by word and deed would need to be suppressed. They > do like modern weaponry, delivered into their hands by allah, to use > against the Qufars (all of us). This now includes NBC weapons. > > In which country are the lefties apologists for jihadists and > islamists? > > > > It is fairly common in Europe. > > > > Hi Quentin, > > > > First of all, I don't agree with any of the stuff spudboy wrote, except > for this detail. The right-wing in Europe is rather terrible and I have no > sympathy for their xenophobic inclinations. > > > > > > Which countries in Europe ? > > > > From my personal experience: Portugal, France and Germany. Not so sure > about the UK. > > > > Because I know no "lefties apologists for jihadists and > > islamists" here in Belgium... also if I translate corretly "lefties", in > french it translates to "gauchiste"... and it's an insult... don't know if > it is in english. > > > > I believe the French version has a more negative connotation, while the > English one is a mostly neutral nickname. Someone might correct me if I'm > wrong. > > > > > > If you equates sympathizer of the palestinian (who often have > social/progressive politics preferences, I can admit) as apologists for > jihadists and islamists, it's cleary an abuse and bad faith. > > > > I agree that this is related to the matter, but what I would say is that > some left-leaning people extrapolate their sympathy for the Palestinians to > an overall pro-Arab, anti-Israel stance. > > > > I don't see it that way... please also note that "charlie hebdo" is what > you can call "leftist"... and it is clearly not pro jihad, or pro religion > or whatever pro-religion/fascist related... most of the palestinian > sympathizers (from known left or not) are clearly not hamas supporter... > there are some clearly, but they're not common "left wing" or common in any > left parties I know of, even radical left... I know of no radical left (if > that's them you're pointing) in belgium and france who are *for* the > djihadist and or islamisation of the society... could you provide of such > persons/party who clearly states and defends such things ? as it is clearly > against any socials or economical ideas of what is called "the left". > > > > A certain tendency of the European left to dislike the USA also helps. > > > > > > So what do you mean by "fairly common in Europe" ? what "left" are talking > about ? > > > > I'm not sure this is related to a "type of left", I would say it's more > related to the tribal personality type, who likes to be on the side of > their group on all matters, no matter what. There are a lot of left-wing > people who do not fit this category, of course. I know and am friends with > some of them. > > > > It is true, for example, that the crimes of Hamas are completely ignored > by the European mainstream press and many intellectuals. > > > > I don't think so... > > > > Quentin > > > > > > Telmo. > > > > > > Quentin > > > > > > > > Not in mine. 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