I read the opinion piece, Liz. Yes, trillions have been wasted, and trillions more to come. But socialists know how to waste a nations wealth as well. Try considering a more, nuanced, approach to money and politics. Try seeing humans as the rats in BF Skinner's experiments. Think of rewards, and the withdrawl of rewards for failing goals. What's the reward for billionaires to behave more, responsibly, for politicians to behave more productively, for Liz to see things Spud's way? As of now, nothing! There's no practical reward for you to agree with me on this subject. So you won't because, "who is this bloody Yank, and who the hell does he think he is!" Liz might ask, what's in it for me? And I reply, nothing, Liz, because this is how people see their world. Nor, will the billionaires obey our pleadings, or protests, unless there's something in it for them. A guy to view on all this is david bueno di misquito, who works at stanford university. A few of his lectures are on youtube.com. peep-peep! Says spud the rat, peep-peep.
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -----Original Message----- From: LizR <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Apr 12, 2015 06:38 PM Subject: Re: Life in the Islamic State for women <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_b9433600-9d32-4a8b-ac13-0b25c8198bd1"> <div dir="ltr"> Here you go. <a target="_blank" href="http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/29581-heinous-waste-of-money-officially-begins";>http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/29581-heinous-waste-of-money-officially-begins</a> I'm not in favour of "socialism" as practiced by Stalin etc, of course, which was actually totalitarianism - but I am in favour of it as practiced in the UK (the NHS etc) - or Sweden, for example - if high taxes are used to fund agreed-upon pub lic goods, infrastructure, education, hospitals and welfare, if the greatest rich-poor gap isn't allowed to become obscene, then fine. I'm happy to have the blend of capitalism and socialism that works, but not one that has been hijacked by the ultra-rich. In the USA it appears there is no longer a democracy, for example, because they have FPTP elections with a two-party state, both sides of which have been bought up. Is there a cap on election spending? Does all election income have to be declared? Somehow I doubt it. Hence the ultra rich fund their party to make them even ultra-richer. The same is happening in other countries, of course. I would suspect a conspiracy started in the 80s but I don't know if they're that well organised. Though then again, why not? How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? -- Aneurin Bevan It appears they no longer need to. Expect the face of big brother to be revealed as, not Stalin after all, but Mr Monopoly. </div> <div class="aolmail_gmail_extra"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_quote"> On 13 April 2015 at 09:03, spudboy100 via Everything List <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>></span> wrote: <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <font color="black" size="2" face="arial"> <font style="background-color:transparent">I don't disagree, especially when in the US, the billionaires run everything. Good if they chose wisely, Bad if they don't or decide not to. Like Indiana Jones and the Jesus Chalice or whatever it was called. "Choose wisely" said the 800 year old Knight. My original point was that Liz was basically saying things have devolved under capitalism, the environment, wars, and I was refocusing on what she left out, regarding the glories of socialism. If one is going to blast, at least blast fairly. This is basically what I call the Wattenberg method, after the government studies professor who asked, "Compared to what and compared to when?" Also, there are no protests or disruptions from the rule of the rich, nowadays. It's not like the serfs have run into the streets and overturned busses, or lighting trash fires, blocking highways, etc. Therefore, we must be ok with all this rule by the rich? Your friends at Davos are hopefully, wiser, than the politicians they own, because right now things seem to be getting unpleasant internationally now. </font> <div class="aolmail_h5"> <div> <div style="color:black;font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt"> -----Original Message----- From: Bruno Marchal < <a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>> To: everything-list < <a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>> Sent: Sun, Apr 12, 2015 5:38 am Subject: Re: Life in the Islamic State for women <div> <div> <div> On 10 Apr 2015, at 13:34, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: <blockquote> <font color="black" face="arial" size="2">The year is 2015. Is half the world enslaved now? If so, the violence in the world isn't being aimed at capitalists with top hats, suits, monocles, and cigarette holders. If you wish to speak of what the Belgians did in the Congo, 120 years ago, I will heartily agree. You are also ignoring the damage done to the environment by the communists in the USSR and the PRC. Socialism killed the Aral Sea, not capitalism, It was socialism that caused Chernobyl not Capitalism, and the Soviet radioactive materials fires in Kyrgyzstan. Counterpoint! It was capitalism that produced Fukushima by building a reactor too close to the sea. But capitalists are forced to react against an exorcised public, and communists just mow them down. <div style="color:black;font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt"> -----Original Message----- From: LizR < <a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>> To: everything-list < <a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>> Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2015 8:50 pm Subject: Re: Life in the Islamic State for women <div dir="ltr"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_extra"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_quote"> On 10 April 2015 at 03:33, spudboy100 via Everything List <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>></span> wrote: <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"> <font color="black" face="arial"> <div> Why not say, "Ah! but the Third Reich was only going through it's baby steps, and thus, made a few mistakes along the way." Communism, as a governmental form leads to bigtime killings, and the economics aren't very good either. </font> </blockquote> The same can be said of capitalism, or whatever you want to call the system that has enslaved half the world and may end up destroying most of it for human habitation. </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </font> </blockquote> The problem is not capitalism (nor really communism, islam, ...). The problem are people who pervert it ( them) for their own special interests. In a working sane laical democracy we can be protected against such perversion, but today, I am not sure there is any working democracy anywhere (with perhaps some few exceptions). If people can lie on cannabis for 75 years, and on cancer for 40 years, they can lie on many things. It is clear that there is no more any separation between media and politics, and that lack of separation is the democracy killer n0 1. (I am well placed to judge this. When I got the french price for my PhD thesis, a dozen of journalists have interviewed me on the work (not the harassment) and only one of them has been able to publish the interview). Democracies have shown that they are not immune against propaganda. BTW, evidences continue to accumulate that the cannabinoïds cure cancer much more efficaciously than chemo and radio. In fact in Israel, they have understood how and why the cannabinoïds work so well: their agonist play key role in the molecular repairs, and the evacuation of sick cells in the organism. It explains also why the cannabis cure (known since 5000 years) has a so large spectrum, and is sometimes the only known cure, like with auto-immune disease, glaucoma, .... At least things are beginning to change, albeit slowly, on this. We know also that prohibition does not work, except for financing terrorism and international criminality. I don't believe at all in the war on drug and in the war on terror, as the first step to "win" the second would consist in stopping the first. Financial lobbying is also a complete nonsense. It replace the political debate by authoritative arguments, automatically. It kills democracy almost as much as the lack of separation of the powers. It is the democracy killer n° 2. 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