On 30 March 2015 at 23:46, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 2:04 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 28 March 2015 at 23:12, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The characteristics of a gender have been evolved by millions of years
>>> of selection, and women preferences play a role in this selection process.
>>>
>>> Not just A role but the main role, I would say. As any peahen or
>> bowerbird can tell you, male animals (of most species) have to jump through
>> hoops to attract females, because females have more to lose if they choose
>> the wrong mate. This is one thing that makes me unpopular with feminists,
>> when I mention that women have "selectively bred" men to be the way they
>> are (the reverse is true, too, of course, but I would think to a lesser
>> extent since women have more often got to choose).
>>
>
> I agree with you. I avoided making such a strong argument because the
> percentage of women forced into unions, raped, kidnapped from other tribes,
> etc and the impact of these events in evolutionary history is highly
> debatable.
>
> Good point. Clearly these have some impact, particularly, I would say,
forced marriage which is still practiced in some cultures. Another factor
is that there are various ways to induce abortions without modern medicine
(mainly herbal, I think) so a rape victim, or someone who realises she's
made a bad mistake has occasionally had control over whether to keep the
child.

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