On 9 May 2015 at 11:28, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

> On 5/8/2015 3:24 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
>
>> On Fri, May 08, 2015 at 08:47:22AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It is only a new recent fashion on this list to take seriously that
>>> a recording can be conscious, because for a logician, that error is
>>> the (common) confusion between the finger and the moon, or between
>>> "2+2=4" and 2+2=4.
>>>
>>>  It is only recently that we began seriously discussing the MGA at all
>> (about the last 3 years).
>>
>> Why do you say conscious recording (playbacks) are the same as the
>> confusion
>> between "2+2=4" and 2+2=4?
>>
>
> One thing is that that there can be many different instances of "2+2=4"
> but only one 2+2=4.
>

It's map and territory, like the finger and the Moon. The finger points to
the Moon to indicate it, but isn't itself the Moon. Likewise with "2+2=4"

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