On 09 May 2015, at 00:24, Russell Standish wrote:
On Fri, May 08, 2015 at 08:47:22AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
It is only a new recent fashion on this list to take seriously that
a recording can be conscious, because for a logician, that error is
the (common) confusion between the finger and the moon, or between
"2+2=4" and 2+2=4.
It is only recently that we began seriously discussing the MGA at all
(about the last 3 years).
It seems to recur before, but OK.
Why do you say conscious recording (playbacks) are the same as the
confusion
between "2+2=4" and 2+2=4? I don't even know what you mean by
confusion between the finger and the moon...
It is the confusion between the pointer, and the thing pointed too.
If a recording was conscious, it would transit in the relevant comp
state in virtue of ts relation with a universal machine (a computer or
the sigma_1 number or combinatorial reality), the one processing the
computation. A recording is only a sequence of picture of the states,
in no "causal", nor logical "relation" with any number at all. The MGA
uses only the "real time supervenience", to get the "contradiction
modulo magic-of-the-gap-god", and show that consciousness is related
to the semantical relations, even intensional one, of the computation.
2 + 2 = 4 tels us that it is true that the number 2 and 4 obeys that
relation. "2 + 2 = 4" is only a sequence of symbols which we have
learned to interpret in that way that 2 + 2 = 4.
Similarly, the movie describes token having participated to a
computation (a true relation in arithmetic), but it does not compute.
If you look at the movie and verify that all the steps in the movie
are correct, then *you* do the emulation of the boolean graph, and
consciousness will be there, like in the Chinese room or Einstein's
brain-book, but not in virtue of the movie, but of your verification
of each step described in the movie, with your neuron. That will
genuinely emulate the computation, but the movie by itself does not
compute.
Cheers,
Bruno
Cheers
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