I haven't a clue what you're rabitting on about here,so I'll let it pass without comment...
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 04:00:19PM -0400, John Mikes wrote: > Russel wrote: > > *Nondeterministic systems needn't have free will*. > > then: > > > *My point still stands, though. We were discussing the dynamical chaos**Og > was seeing, and Laplace's daemon, which operates in a deterministic setting* > . > > The term 'nondeterministic' (leading to 'random?') is a nono in my views > (and I do not argue for their correctness, only for their LIMITED agnostic > nature). > *Relations* (what are they?) influence each other, I think so does the > Laplace daemon (I never met this guy) so in the churnings of the existence > (Nature?) nothing comes un-influenced (randomly, or in a CHAOTIC > un-ruliness). > I consider chaos the outcome of *orderly* influences including (our) > unknown - even (for us) unknowable factors in the 'Everything' (Nature, > whatever). > Furthermore: if chaos is ubiquitous, or: if random prevails unrestrained, > we would have no math-phys laws to observe (consider 2+2=375, or 56831) and > e.g. Ohm's law would be unfollowable etc. etc. etc. > > So far I did not meet an acceptable regulation about WHERE does the > potential of random, or chaos prevail and WHERE not? It cannot be a > convenience rule, like: "it exists there, and ONLY there, where we like it > and it does not disturb our natural sciences/mathematics etc. " > > A 'deterministic setting' IMO is the outcome of sometimes controversial > trends from diverse influencing tendencies - ALL OF THEM (known and > unknown). > Whatever 'emerges' is entailed by some origins and influences and it is > only our ignorance that calls it 'random', 'chaos', or 'nondeterministic > change' etc. etc. > > In many cases we cannot predict what will happen, because our insight is > limited. 'Free will' is a good cop-out, the gods can even punish the > 'willer'. > > Regards > > John Mikes > > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Russell Standish <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 03:06:57PM -0400, John Mikes wrote: > > > Russell: > > > you wrote (among many many others): > > > > > > *"...No free will = deterministic behaviour..." * > > > > > > I would not equal the two in my agnostic views. There are lots of (known > > as > > > > Quite right. I should have written "No free will <= deterministic > > behaviour." > > > > (<= means "entailed by", not ≤). > > > > Nondeterministic systems needn't have free will. > > > > My point still stands, though. We were discussing the dynamical chaos > > Og was seeing, and Laplace's daemon, which operates in a deterministic > > setting. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > > Principal, High Performance Coders > > Visiting Professor of Mathematics [email protected] > > University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics [email protected] University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
