On 9 June 2015 at 05:29, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:

>  On 6/8/2015 1:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>
>  Hmm.... Let us be precise. That the computation take place in arithmetic
> is a mathematical fact that nobody doubt today. UDA explains only that we
> cannot use a notion of primitive matter for making "more real" some
> computations in place of others. It makes the physics supervening on "all
> computations in arithmetic".
>
> But my computer does some computations and not others.  So there must be
> some sense in which some computations are real and others aren't.
> Handwaving that they're all there in arithmetic proves too much.
>

I don't see that. Surely the problem is that it doesn't prove *enough* -
assuming all computations exist (in some sense) in arithmetic, which I
believe is "trivially" true to most mathematicians, how does this produce
physics?

If you're going to use a comp style explanation, your computer isn't
defining which computations are real, it's somehow being generated by all
those abstract computations.

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