On 7/1/2015 7:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 30 Jun 2015, at 20:10, meekerdb wrote:

On 6/30/2015 10:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
That is what unitary evolution means. As I said:

>> This means that physics is completely computable -- Turing emulable.
>> But that is what quantum mechanics in the Everettian interpretation
>> tells us. Unitary evolution preserves (quantum) information, and is
>> completely calculable.

OK. No problem with this. But my interest are in consciousness and qualia, and the advantage of computer science is that it can handles the computer's truth that the computer cannot communicate, observe feel, see, etc.

The computer cannot prove some theorems. And it's commonly said people can't communicate qualia, e.g. perceptions, feelings, emotions (although we manage at some level). But that doesn't make (unprovable theorems)= qualia.

Yes, you are right. But the qualia is not related to non-provability, but to ~[]p with [] being an intensional variants of provability.

?? What are "intensional variants of provability" and why should they satisfy the same incompleteness relations as provability?

Brent

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