John,
All here is pure rhetorical tricks which have already been debunked
many times, by many people.
I will no more comment those ad hominem spurious trolling posts.
Bruno
On 21 Aug 2015, at 19:26, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
> Nobody will have two 1p from an 1p pov.
If Ed remains somebody even after Ed is duplicated then somebody
will have two 1p from a 1p pov. However John Clark is reluctant to
say what will happen to "you" until Bruno Marchal gives a much
better explanation about what that personal pronoun means in a world
with "you" duplicating machines.
> We have agreed that both are "you".
Yes, and so "you" will be in Washington AND Moscow, and from that
Bruno Marchal concludes that "you" will see only one city. And all
the peepee in the world can't sweep that logical contradiction under
the rug.
> That is even the reason why we listen to both copies, and
both comfirm the W v M prediction, and both refute the W & M
prediction
We must listen to both copies because the prediction was about
"you" and because both are "you" and both CONFIRM the W AND M
prediction. Not that predictions, correct or incorrect have anything
to do with the continuous feeling of a unique self.
>> if the guy in Helsinki is a fool he could predict
monkeys will fly out of his ass. But I'm more interested in what
will happen that in what some jackass believes will happen.
> In that case you change the subject, which is not what will
happen, but what will be experienced (assuming the person believes
or assumes computationalism).
What the hell are you talking about?? What will happen IS what
will be experienced and it doesn't matter one bit if the person
assumes computationalism or not!
>> Definitions are made of words and those words also have
definitions also made of words and round and round we go; the only
thing that breaks us out of that infinite loop is usage. Where do
you think lexicographers got the information to write their
dictionaries? Only one place, usage.
> In science we use axiomatics,
Yes, you say computationalism is an axiom and then you
use it in a "proof" that you claim proves this and that, but you're
like a geometer what says that a Euclidean axiom is that 2 parallel
lines never meet and then in a direct Euclidean "proof" starts
talking about point X where 2 parallel lines meet. Usage beats
definitions every time.
> you are just playing with word
AKA thinking.
> as you have agreed that "you" is not ambiguous before the
duplication.
And "you" is ambiguous after the duplication which is what the
prediction was about. So why doesn't Bruno just substitute "Ed" for
"you" and end this "you" controversy? Because "Ed" contains no
ambiguity and thus Bruno would have no place to hide sloppy
thinking.
> I don't think anybody understand your point,
Yes, I'm the only one on the planet who failed to recognize the
brilliance of your proof, and that is why you won the Nobel Prize.
Oh wait ....
> Come on, you don't even try to answer a precise question
asked in my last post.
If I ever find a precise question in one of your posts I will
answer it or say I don't know, but gibberish is not a question even
if it has a question mark at the end.
John K Clark
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