On 15 Aug 2015, at 23:50, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 6:03 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
> And the question is on the "pure" 1-view, like in "what do
you expect [...]
You again! John Clark expects that Bruno Marchal will continue
to use words in the "proof" that implicitly assumes the very thing
it's trying to prove.
Are you joking or what?
YOU told me that "YOU" is not ambiguous BEFORE the duplication, which
is when the question "What do you expect..." is asked.
Sorry John, this is too gross. Come up with an argument, not
ridiculous opportunist rhetorical maneuver.
It is like when you say you don't know what comp is, when by
definition comp is used for the indexical version I gave of
computationalism, which actually implies all the other versions, and
that you agree on, given that you go at least up to step 2 (and
actually arguably practice, as you know).
You just disbelieve that comp -> step 3, but that's different.
Then you have fail to show an error in the reasoning, and actually
your rhetorical maneuvers can only confuse people and become extremely
boring.
Try harder, in case you really miss the point, but avoid *all* your
rhetorical tricks, as they have all been debunked, by a majority of
people participating in this list.
From now on, I will answer only *arguments*, and put the post with
rhetorical maneuvers in the trash.
Bruno
> 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again and again ...
Not one person on planet Earth is or has ever been confused by the
difference between 1p and 3p, but EVERYBODY on planet Earth
(especially Bruno Marchal) is confused about what the hell
1-1p and the 3-1p is supposed to mean.
> everyone will asks themselves how you were unable to grasp
the FPI,
And not one person on planet Earth has failed to realize that
sometimes they don't know what the future will bring.
>> I never use "comp" and never will until I know what it
means and I don't and neither do you.
> See the definition in any of my paper, or in the archive.
I'm not interested in your definition, usage is always vastly
more important than definitions and I have been unable to extract
one particle of consistent meaning from the usage of your homemade
word "comp"
> Comp is the doctrine according to which the brain is turing
emulable
That's computationalism not "comp". I don't know what
"comp" means but I do know that if it means anything at all it's
certainly not computationalism.
> STOP USING PRONOUNS!!
> Show me why I can't use pronoun, WITHOUT ABSTRACTING YOURSELF
FROM PERSONS POV!
That would be very very difficult, but why is it John Clark's
responsibility? John Clark is not the one who claims to have made
new and profound discoveries about the nature of consciousness and
personal identify, and if Bruno Marchal can't write the proof
without using words that already assume what is supposed to be
proven then Bruno Marchal hasn't made any new profound discoveries
on this subject either.
> after the duplication, Ed is in both W and M, Ed, in both
place,
Then obviously the prediction that Ed would see both places
turned out to be correct.
> both Ed are forced to realize that, after all, they see only
(W xor M). Ed-M and Ed-W bitterly regret not having have had the
foresight on this
The prediction was that Ed would see both places and that
prediction was correct. The prediction was that Ed-w would see
Washington and that prediction was correct.The prediction was that
Ed-m would see Moscow and that prediction was correct.
Exactly what prediction was incorrect?
> There is no unanimity on how to interpret the quantum wave or
matrix equation
It doesn't matter because they both make exactly the same
predictions, and they both give probabilities not certainties.
John K Clark
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