On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Pierz <[email protected]> wrote: > Ah nice - your interpretation makes perfect sense. And in that case, I > guess it is 100%. How "complete" is your agreement with Gödel? > > 1. ~100% 2. ~100% 3. Unsure. I don't know that all problems have solutions. 4. ~100% 5. ~98% 6. 100% 7. Not sure what he means by thoroughly intelligible. 8. 85% (many directions at least). 9. 95% 10. 90% In philosophy of mind, I believe materialism is false in so far as any particular matter being important. 11. ~99% if he is describing multiple realizability 12. ~100% 13. Unsure. I believe this subject can be studied scientifically, but do answers to all ethical questions converge, or diverge? 14. Whether most human religions are a net negative or net positive, I can't say. Certainly there have been many good and many bad things emerging from human religions. I agree that religion in itself is not inherently a bad thing.
Jason On Friday, September 11, 2015 at 12:08:37 PM UTC+10, Jason wrote: >> >> I interpreted the higher beings in the sense of "multiple realizability", >> as Turing wrote in his 1950 paper, >> >> "The fact that Babbage's Analytical Engine was to be entirely mechanical >> will help us to rid ourselves of a superstition. Importance is often >> attached to the fact that modern digital computers are electrical, and that >> the nervous system also is electrical. Since Babbage's machine was not >> electrical, and since all digital computers are in a sense equivalent, we >> see that this use of electricity cannot be of theoretical importance. Of >> course electricity usually comes in where fast signalling is concerned, so >> that it is not surprising that we find it in both these connections. In the >> nervous system chemical phenomena are at least as important as electrical. >> In certain computers the storage system is mainly acoustic. The feature of >> using electricity is thus seen to be only a very superficial similarity. If >> we wish to find such similarities we should took rather for mathematical >> analogies of function." >> >> >> So aliens or beings on other worlds, or in other universes, need not be >> made of the same particles, or same elements/chemicals as we, if it is the >> functions/patterns/mathematical relations that determine consciousness. >> >> I read the formal rights in the same way you did, that ethics/politics is >> an objective, rather than subjective science. >> >> Jason >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Pierz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> OK, I think it's 100%. I'm just not sure what it means that the higher >>> beings are connected by analogy not composition, and "formal rights >>> comprise a real science" (unless he means there is something objectively >>> knowable about ethics). That said, the higher beings thing sounds like >>> something I *would* agree with, if I understood it... ;) >>> >>> On Friday, September 11, 2015 at 11:16:09 AM UTC+10, Jason wrote: >>>> >>>> Which of the 14 points did you not agree with? >>>> >>>> As for his ontological proof, I think that was more something he did >>>> for fun, to see if he could impart some rigor to Anselm's argument. >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Pierz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's amazing to me that a man of Gödel's brilliance could take the >>>>> drivel of the ontological argument seriously. Did I miss something about >>>>> that specious piece of sophistry? Other than that I'm in 87.5% agreement >>>>> with him... >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
