On 10/4/2015 10:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 03 Oct 2015, at 02:02, Brent Meeker wrote:
On 10/2/2015 8:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
So much the worse for the computationalist doctrine! It becomes a
matter of unverifiable faith,
I think that it is important in our context that the belief in any
reality (different from my consciousness here-and-now) requires
unverifiable faith.
The implication that any belief that is not verified in held on faith
is a rhetorical trick. There are degrees of belief which should be
proportioned to the evidence. That the evidence doesn't rise to the
level of verification (certainty?) doesn't make my belief the sun
will rise tomorrow a matter of faith.
But at the level of rigor we need to dialog on what should be really
assumed at the start, or not, we must admit that believing that the
sun will rise tomorrow requires faith.
Only if "believing" means to hold as certain. I'm not even sure what
you might mean by "requires faith"? Does it just mean to act even
without certainty? In my dictionary "faith" means belief which is
immune to contrary evidence.
Or you have clairvoyant ability.
I am aware that evolution, a plausible theory, suggest that such a
faith is quasi hard-wired in our brain, as doubting the existence of
the predators will not help. But that requires a faith in something
akin to self-consistency, and that is why we have to attach <>t to the
[]p, as we can't prove effectively, as consistent machine, that we are
consistent or that there is a reality.
It would be a rhetorical trick if that was used to suppress a program
to visit Mars, but the goal here is to get a rational theoretical
approach explaining the appearances and the different points of view
of what could be. Or you are begging the question, and assume the
primary physical at the start.
Assuming the primary physical as an evidenced hypothesis is no more
faith than assuming every number has a successor.
Brent
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