Telmo. by Law this true. Two caveats in the US, the president can issue executive orders, and has the right to pardon any one for any reason. Plus, the congress in the US, if it has a majority, can vote on Obama, or Mama Clinton's bills, and can always approve them. Such a majority does not now exist, but will likely exist in the next national elections. My guess is that the president will enact an executive action and it will be appealed and then, approved by Bamer;s stacked supreme court. So, the idea is to import voters to replace local citizens, who become slowly aware of the Progressive's failure to govern well.
In absolute terms, the US is a oligarchic plutocracy, in which both political parties are owned by Wall Street, Hollywood, and Silicon Valley money. If you want to discourage immigrants, one way is to bribe them with free health care and guaranteed income, in which they would lose all goodies, if they, or a family member arrived in Portugal, for example. Who can afford this?? Walls and armed guards seem cheaper, especially if this reverse colonization attempt is from religious, fanatic, hostiles. -----Original Message----- From: Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2015 6:29 pm Subject: Re: Debate questions. On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 9:10 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> wrote: In this land Telmo, the means to get voters to vote is achieved by cash. In the US this is what seems to work. The US is thus, essentially an oligarchy, specifically, a plutocracy. I am ignorant if the EU, or more directly, Scandinavia is this way as well? I'm from the other corner (Portugal) and live in Germany. In the EU I don't think money plays as big a role. It's more an incentive to get into power (you can make same amazing deals for you and your friends) than a prerequiste. Campaigns are cheaper and more regulated. Typically, the main TV channels are required by law to assign a certain amount of time to each party that is running. In my view, elections in the EU are vastly influenced by the mainstream media. A narrative will evolve that will favor the candidate or party with the most "pull". Political influence is a very complex thing in Europe, and has a lot to do with the interplay of public and private interests. Then you have the "Federal" level of the EU, which is purely non-democratic and 100% based on "elite" power games. Money gets people to the polls, and both parties are owned by billionaires. The US media is owned by billionaires, and on the Dem party side, they are the same people. The voters for the Dems go to the polls, primarily for the financial benefits they receive, directly from the state. The Republican party is the same way, and is owned specifically, by the US Chamber of Commerce and the Business Roundatble. This is where we are receiving class conflict in the US. It is, if we were to draw up sides, the very rich and the poor, and entitled, on one side; and the middle class on the other. The policies are all geared to benefit the clients of the very rich and the poor. You can look at the phrase "hedge fund managers," and get the idea on who is the Ruling Class. I view this nation-state as heading for violent conflict, but because there is no room for compromise there's zero to be done. A crucial issue that has emerged, is the survival of the current nation-states, via, imposed immigration. I am guessing that whatever your political views are, you are not thrilled with the social conflict and crime is, say, in Malmo? My feeling at the moment is that there is much more ethnic conflict in the US than Europe. I have friends in half a dozen European countries, ranging from the southern to the nordic and I have never heard of anyone having any problem related to ethnic tensions. Sometimes you read about extreme events, usually spurred by fights between extreme-right and extreme-left super-obscure organizations. Or in football games, but that's it. When I read the US media talking about Europe, I feel that rare events are blown out of proportion. I definitely do not feel like I am living in the middle of some race war. My political views regarding immigration are simple: I'm a humanist. I think that Europe should help human beings in need up to the point where it is feasible and does not compromise the stability of our own society (otherwise we can't continue helping anyone, in any case). I also think this is the smartest strategy against terrorism. It is quite clear to me that what ISIS fears the most is demonstrations of kindness by the west to Muslims in need. Their propaganda depends on painting us as evil oppressors. This is what I would conclude as the elites using people from Islam or, in the US case, Latin America, as a means of ensuring a solid voting block. If the elites cannot win by winning a nations' population over, they can then import 'voters' to replace the disaffected, local people. Hum... Wouldn't such a plan be too long-term to be useful to the individual career of some politician? After all, it takes a very long time for an immigrant to obtain voting rights, correct? I, oversimplify this whole issue, but it breaks down to progressives will sacrifice their own countries, if they believe that they, personally, will not be adversely, affected by the policies of their political masters. One observation along this line is that "anti-war" protesters are never against wars involving Islamist aggression, or acts by China in the Pacific, or Mother Russia, but are ever, against the US military, the UK, etc. In any case, may you have a Joyous, Newtomas Season (The season of reason?), though, I prefer a holiday that invokes Hugh Everett, or maybe a proponent of the holographic principle? Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2015 4:14 am Subject: Re: Debate questions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pji_IX-UacM On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 5:36 AM, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote: On 11/28/2015 6:28 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: One could ask the Dems directly - Ms Clinton-What do accept money for the Clinton Foundation from the Saudi's $$$$? I dunno. What do? Ms. Clinton - How much money do you accept from George Soros Foundation $$$$? However much he'd like to give. Ms. Clinton- George Soros, the funder of environmentalist causes just bought a chunk of Peabody Coal, why? Why don't you ask George? Ms. Clinton -Do you, as of right now, do you know of a storage technology that can store Terawatts of Solar? Sure. Clinton-Benghazi, Clinton-Syria, Clinton-Economy, Clinton-Spying... Is this a new chant of Kurt Gowdy? Makes more sense than his questions. I could also apply this to the Bushes, but since you gace drawn the line....unguarde! But you don't because you like hereditary plutocracy? Or because JEB is so pitifully incompetent that even his PAC can't save him? Ok, Brent, I will leave you be, because for you, Texas must be a sort of purgatory for you, yes? Are you as confused about where I live as about everything else? So yes, you are permitted to be sarcastic, via Slate. On the other hand, I am feeling that the US will soon be a failed state, as CIA used to term this.This, because there is no reasonable resolution between us. Are you intending to overthrow the democratic process and no longer abide by the result of elections. What will you do, declare The Donald your supreme leader and declare a yyyuuuuge victory? I am seriously, not, a social, or even an economic conservative. I am, for what it's worth, a nationalist So you're in favor of nations not being invaded and controlled by other nations. You like the 1648 treaty of Westphalia. Who doesn't. and your party and your team (Dems) are Not. Your lot is anti-nationalist, worldwide, What's that supposed to mean? Democrats are interested in the world beyond our borders - probably so. But they're not the team that decided that regime change of the axis of evil would be a good foreign policy. They're not the team that banished all the Sunni Bathists from the Iraqi army. with progressivism having a strong leaning towards Stalinist practices...eventually. And Nationalist like you and The Donald have fascist policies they want to implement. On immigration, if they (Democrats-Progressives) start eroding the base of whites, older blacks, and Latinos who have been here long-term, Fact free Faux Gnus fantasy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/21/lies-damned-lies-and-obamas-deportation-statistics/ The Bamers, and the Merkels, and the EU, want to Import replacement Voters, in exchange for goodies from the State. Bullshit. Immigrants don't get to vote until they become citizens. In the U.S. that takes about 2yrs. And they have to pass a test on U.S. government and take an oath to support the Constitution and the democratic process - so you wouldn't qualify Thus, to ensure the Progressive Choke Hold on power, Yeah it must be that Progressive Choke hold that prevents the GOP from doing anything despite having a majority in both houses of Congress. If only they had the Presidency - then maybe they could invade Syria, the Ukaraine, and Iran. numerically. So its a play on your ideologies part, and a failure on my ideologies part (I am genuinely a pragmatist but want ourt nation-state to survive for a good while). Survive as a white male rich-man's oligarchy. I feel (not think) that the US is due for a civil war, and what happens afterwards, is anyone's guess. Well the cops are doing their best to incite a revolt among blacks. Maybe a US continent looking something like the HBO series, The Man in the High Castle (book written in 62) will result? Trump's already proposed making Muslims carry I.D. cards so he can watch them better. Perhaps, the best we can all hope for would be territorially, a velvet divorce, like between the Czech and Slovak Republic. You'd move out of Texas, and I'd move out of Ohio. A traumatic vision in either case, and one I do not look forward to. Why not move to Texas now. They seem to have everything you want. Exaggerated self-worth, mythical history, persecution complex, apocalyptic visions, contempt for diversity, guns, grits, and greed. Apologies, for this rant, but I felt that your Slate article needed a reposite. I doubt you even read it. It was quite funny. But humor is rare in revolutionaries. Brent "Texas is my country, truth is my religion - and fuck 'em if they can't take a joke." --- Kinky Friedman I used 'effects' on this email to assist in your reading of this epistle, so as to speed it all up, and lessen your likely, disgust at my words. Regards, none the less, Mitch -----Original Message----- From: Brent Meeker <[email protected]> To: EveryThing <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2015 10:16 pm Subject: Debate questions. Questions you wish they'd really asked at the Republican debate: http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/11/16/hardball-questions-for-the-next-debate/ Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. 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