On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:19 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote:
> Telmo. by Law this true. Two caveats in the US, the president can issue > executive orders, and has the right to pardon any one for any reason. Plus, > the congress in the US, if it has a majority, can vote on Obama, or Mama > Clinton's bills, and can always approve them. Such a majority does not now > exist, but will likely exist in the next national elections. My guess is > that the president will enact an executive action and it will be appealed > and then, approved by Bamer;s stacked supreme court. So, the idea is to > import voters to replace local citizens, who become slowly aware of the > Progressive's failure to govern well. > I don't know enough about the nuances of American politics to have an informed opinion. At face value, this strategy seems too complicated to be plausible. I can imagine simpler and faster ways to get votes. > > In absolute terms, the US is a oligarchic plutocracy, in which both > political parties are owned by Wall Street, Hollywood, and Silicon Valley > money. Ok, I don't doubt that. > If you want to discourage immigrants, one way is to bribe them with free > health care and guaranteed income, in which they would lose all goodies, if > they, or a family member arrived in Portugal, for example. Who can afford > this?? It is not clear to me that immigrants are a net negative in terms of economic impact. In fact, I believe there are serious studies that show the opposite. Walls and armed guards seem cheaper, This does not seem to be what History tells us. It is also quite dystopic... > especially if this reverse colonization attempt is from religious, > fanatic, hostiles. > But is there any evidence that this is the case? Cheers, Telmo. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2015 6:29 pm > Subject: Re: Debate questions. > > > > On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 9:10 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> In this land Telmo, the means to get voters to vote is achieved by cash. >> In the US this is what seems to work. The US is thus, essentially an >> oligarchy, specifically, a plutocracy. I am ignorant if the EU, or more >> directly, Scandinavia is this way as well? > > > I'm from the other corner (Portugal) and live in Germany. > > In the EU I don't think money plays as big a role. It's more an incentive > to get into power (you can make same amazing deals for you and your > friends) than a prerequiste. Campaigns are cheaper and more regulated. > Typically, the main TV channels are required by law to assign a certain > amount of time to each party that is running. > > In my view, elections in the EU are vastly influenced by the mainstream > media. A narrative will evolve that will favor the candidate or party with > the most "pull". Political influence is a very complex thing in Europe, and > has a lot to do with the interplay of public and private interests. Then > you have the "Federal" level of the EU, which is purely non-democratic and > 100% based on "elite" power games. > > >> Money gets people to the polls, and both parties are owned by >> billionaires. The US media is owned by billionaires, and on the Dem party >> side, they are the same people. The voters for the Dems go to the polls, >> primarily for the financial benefits they receive, directly from the state. >> >> *The Republican party is the same way*, and is owned specifically, by >> the US Chamber of Commerce and the Business Roundatble. This is where we >> are receiving class conflict in the US. It is, if we were to draw up sides, >> the very rich and the poor, and entitled, on one side; and the middle class >> on the other. The policies are all geared to benefit the clients of the >> very rich and the poor. >> >> You can look at the phrase "hedge fund managers," and get the idea on who >> is the Ruling Class. I view this nation-state as heading for violent >> conflict, but because there is no room for compromise there's zero to be >> done. A crucial issue that has emerged, is the survival of the current >> nation-states, via, imposed immigration. I am guessing that whatever your >> political views are, you are not thrilled with the social conflict and >> crime is, say, in Malmo? > > > My feeling at the moment is that there is much more ethnic conflict in the > US than Europe. I have friends in half a dozen European countries, ranging > from the southern to the nordic and I have never heard of anyone having any > problem related to ethnic tensions. Sometimes you read about extreme > events, usually spurred by fights between extreme-right and extreme-left > super-obscure organizations. Or in football games, but that's it. > > When I read the US media talking about Europe, I feel that rare events are > blown out of proportion. I definitely do not feel like I am living in the > middle of some race war. > > My political views regarding immigration are simple: I'm a humanist. I > think that Europe should help human beings in need up to the point where it > is feasible and does not compromise the stability of our own society > (otherwise we can't continue helping anyone, in any case). > > I also think this is the smartest strategy against terrorism. It is quite > clear to me that what ISIS fears the most is demonstrations of kindness by > the west to Muslims in need. Their propaganda depends on painting us as > evil oppressors. > > This is what I would conclude as the elites using people from Islam or, in >> the US case, Latin America, as a means of ensuring a solid voting block. If >> the elites cannot win by winning a nations' population over, they can then >> import 'voters' to replace the disaffected, local people. >> > > Hum... Wouldn't such a plan be too long-term to be useful to the > individual career of some politician? After all, it takes a very long time > for an immigrant to obtain voting rights, correct? > > >> >> I, *oversimplify* this whole issue, but it breaks down to *progressives* >> will sacrifice their own countries, if they believe that they, personally, >> will not be adversely, affected by the policies of their political masters. >> One observation along this line is that "anti-war" protesters are never >> against wars involving Islamist aggression, or acts by China in the >> Pacific, or Mother Russia, but are ever, against the US military, the UK, >> etc. >> >> In any case, may you have a Joyous, Newtomas Season (The season of >> reason?), though, I prefer a holiday that invokes Hugh Everett, or maybe a >> proponent of the holographic principle? >> >> Mitch >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> >> To: everything-list <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2015 4:14 am >> Subject: Re: Debate questions. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pji_IX-UacM >> >> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 5:36 AM, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 11/28/2015 6:28 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: >>> >>> One could ask the Dems directly - >>> Ms Clinton-What do accept money for the Clinton Foundation from the >>> Saudi's $$$$? >>> >>> >>> I dunno. What do? >>> >>> Ms. Clinton - How much money do you accept from George Soros Foundation >>> $$$$? >>> >>> >>> However much he'd like to give. >>> >>> Ms. Clinton- George Soros, the funder of environmentalist causes just >>> bought a chunk of Peabody Coal, why? >>> >>> >>> Why don't you ask George? >>> >>> Ms. Clinton -Do you, as of right now, do you know of a storage >>> technology that can store Terawatts of Solar? >>> >>> >>> Sure. >>> >>> Clinton-Benghazi, Clinton-Syria, Clinton-Economy, Clinton-Spying... >>> >>> >>> Is this a new chant of Kurt Gowdy? Makes more sense than his questions. >>> >>> >>> I could also apply this to the Bushes, but since you gace drawn the >>> line....unguarde! >>> >>> >>> But you don't because you like hereditary plutocracy? Or because JEB is >>> so pitifully incompetent that even his PAC can't save him? >>> >>> >>> Ok, Brent, I will leave you be, because for you, Texas must be a sort of >>> purgatory for you, yes? >>> >>> >>> Are you as confused about where I live as about everything else? >>> >>> So yes, you are permitted to be sarcastic, via Slate. On the other hand, >>> I am feeling that the US will soon be a failed state, as CIA used to term >>> this.This, because there is *no reasonable resolution* between us. >>> >>> >>> Are you intending to overthrow the democratic process and no longer >>> abide by the result of elections. What will you do, declare The Donald >>> your supreme leader and declare a yyyuuuuge victory? >>> >>> I am seriously, not, a social, or even an economic conservative. I am, >>> for what it's worth, a *nationalist* >>> >>> >>> So you're in favor of nations not being invaded and controlled by other >>> nations. You like the 1648 treaty of Westphalia. Who doesn't. >>> >>> and your party and your team (Dems) are Not. Your lot is >>> anti-nationalist, worldwide, >>> >>> >>> What's that supposed to mean? Democrats are interested in the world >>> beyond our borders - probably so. But they're not the team that decided >>> that regime change of the axis of evil would be a good foreign policy. >>> They're not the team that banished all the Sunni Bathists from the Iraqi >>> army. >>> >>> with *progressivism* having a strong leaning towards Stalinist >>> practices...eventually. >>> >>> >>> And Nationalist like you and The Donald have fascist policies they want >>> to implement. >>> >>> On immigration, if they (Democrats-Progressives) start* eroding* the >>> base of whites, older blacks, and Latinos who have been here long-term, >>> >>> >>> Fact free Faux Gnus fantasy: >>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/21/lies-damned-lies-and-obamas-deportation-statistics/ >>> >>> >>> The Bamers, and the Merkels, and the EU, want to Import *replacement >>> Voters*, in exchange for goodies from the State. >>> >>> >>> Bullshit. Immigrants don't get to vote until they become citizens. In >>> the U.S. that takes about 2yrs. And they have to pass a test on U.S. >>> government and take an oath to support the Constitution and the democratic >>> process - so you wouldn't qualify >>> >>> Thus, to ensure the Progressive Choke Hold on power, >>> >>> >>> Yeah it must be that Progressive Choke hold that prevents the GOP from >>> doing anything despite having a majority in both houses of Congress. If >>> only they had the Presidency - then maybe they could invade Syria, the >>> Ukaraine, and Iran. >>> >>> numerically. So its a play on your ideologies part, and a failure on my >>> ideologies part (I am genuinely a pragmatist but want ourt nation-state to >>> survive for a good while). >>> >>> >>> Survive as a white male rich-man's oligarchy. >>> >>> >>> >>> I feel (not think) that the US is due for a civil war, and what happens >>> afterwards, is anyone's guess. >>> >>> >>> Well the cops are doing their best to incite a revolt among blacks. >>> >>> Maybe a US continent looking something like the HBO series, The Man in >>> the High Castle (book written in 62) will result? >>> >>> >>> Trump's already proposed making Muslims carry I.D. cards so he can watch >>> them better. >>> >>> Perhaps, the best we can all hope for would be territorially, a velvet >>> divorce, like between the Czech and Slovak Republic. You'd move out of >>> Texas, and I'd move out of Ohio. A traumatic vision in either case, and one >>> I do not look forward to. >>> >>> >>> Why not move to Texas now. They seem to have everything you want. >>> Exaggerated self-worth, mythical history, persecution complex, apocalyptic >>> visions, contempt for diversity, guns, grits, and greed. >>> >>> >>> Apologies, for this rant, but I felt that your Slate article needed a >>> reposite. >>> >>> >>> I doubt you even read it. It was quite funny. But humor is rare in >>> revolutionaries. >>> >>> Brent >>> "Texas is my country, truth is my religion - and fuck 'em if they can't >>> take a joke." >>> --- Kinky Friedman >>> >>> I used 'effects' on this email to assist in your reading of this >>> epistle, so as to speed it all up, and lessen your likely, disgust at my >>> words. >>> >>> Regards, none the less, >>> >>> Mitch >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Brent Meeker <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >>> To: EveryThing <[email protected]> >>> <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2015 10:16 pm >>> Subject: Debate questions. >>> >>> Questions you wish they'd really asked at the Republican debate: >>> >>> >>> http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/11/16/hardball-questions-for-the-next-debate/ >>> >>> Brent >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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